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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 16 2013 16:35 GMT
#321
On May 17 2013 01:33 Alaric wrote:
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.

It could be worse. Tibbers just straight-up dies when Annie dies.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 16 2013 16:41 GMT
#322
On May 17 2013 01:35 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:33 Alaric wrote:
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.

It could be worse. Tibbers just straight-up dies when Annie dies.

If Annie was released today, she would respawn with % HP equal to % Tibbers HP whenever she dies and Tibbers is still up after X seconds.
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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 16 2013 16:41 GMT
#323
I was in promotion series for Silver I yesterday, I just got demoted to Silver III, the luck is not with me. Had 3 AFKs. :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 16 2013 16:56 GMT
#324
On May 17 2013 01:35 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:33 Alaric wrote:
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.

It could be worse. Tibbers just straight-up dies when Annie dies.

At release the ult and his W both disappeared when he died, and his laser was even more buggy than now.
(Then they resolved most annoying bugs so they became perceived as a buff because it left out the "invisible laser" bug.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 16 2013 16:59 GMT
#325
On May 16 2013 23:20 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
Collecting hipster credit now:

Nami was always (or always should have been) a R>Q>E>W. You use E on yourself to set up a Q, and just run in and cast W on either yourself or your AD and let it bounce around.

The important thing is that Nami is *not* Soraka. Soraka is a healbot, or rather, can be played as a healbot (which isn't really optimal honestly, battlemage Raka is hella fun to play). Nami is not a healbot, and should never ever be played as such. It would be like maxing... (insert useless or suboptimal skill here) first.

Maxing her heal is like maxing Taric's heal. I mean sure, you're getting more healing... but his other skills are much better to max prior. Same for Nami, people don't realize how good Q and E are, I see so many solo queue Namis focusing on W.


After the Taric nerfs, I tend to max heal first. :>

Already got more points in it in hard lanes prior to that. Then again I max E first on Lulu still, which apparently is terrible according to everyone. I don't play much Lulu though.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 16 2013 16:59 GMT
#326
On May 17 2013 01:56 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:35 thenexusp wrote:
On May 17 2013 01:33 Alaric wrote:
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.

It could be worse. Tibbers just straight-up dies when Annie dies.

At release the ult and his W both disappeared when he died, and his laser was even more buggy than now.
(Then they resolved most annoying bugs so they became perceived as a buff because it left out the "invisible laser" bug.)


It's so unfair that they removed the invisible laser.Now most skillshots are randomly invisible sometimes(or just a really weird color like iblitz hook).Riot be hating on the viktor too much.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 16 2013 17:06 GMT
#327
On May 17 2013 01:59 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:20 Requizen wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
Collecting hipster credit now:

Nami was always (or always should have been) a R>Q>E>W. You use E on yourself to set up a Q, and just run in and cast W on either yourself or your AD and let it bounce around.

The important thing is that Nami is *not* Soraka. Soraka is a healbot, or rather, can be played as a healbot (which isn't really optimal honestly, battlemage Raka is hella fun to play). Nami is not a healbot, and should never ever be played as such. It would be like maxing... (insert useless or suboptimal skill here) first.

Maxing her heal is like maxing Taric's heal. I mean sure, you're getting more healing... but his other skills are much better to max prior. Same for Nami, people don't realize how good Q and E are, I see so many solo queue Namis focusing on W.


After the Taric nerfs, I tend to max heal first. :>

Already got more points in it in hard lanes prior to that. Then again I max E first on Lulu still, which apparently is terrible according to everyone. I don't play much Lulu though.

I think you're fine. I haven't heard any perfect reasoning that what you're doing is objectively wrong.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 16 2013 17:15 GMT
#328
On May 17 2013 01:41 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:35 thenexusp wrote:
On May 17 2013 01:33 Alaric wrote:
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.

It could be worse. Tibbers just straight-up dies when Annie dies.

If Annie was released today, she would respawn with % HP equal to % Tibbers HP whenever she dies and Tibbers is still up after X seconds.


Pheonix/Final Attack Annie never dies.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#329
This league system still confuses me. Two days ago my friend and I were in the same Silver I division. I got to Gold V, then won my next 4 games getting ~25 LP for each, won 2 more and got to Gold IV. In the meantime, my friend won the same number of games (we duo queued most of them) and went from 50LP to like 85 LP in Silver I getting 5-7 LP for each win.
I know the whole "his MMR must be lower so the system must be trying to keep him from advancing" thing but even when he loses he only loses ~5 LP regardless of solo or duo queue. It's as if the system believes his true MMR is "Silver I level" and the formula has converged to not allow him to move up or down.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#330
It should stabilize as soon as he gets his promotion - the system is just really weird.
wat
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#331
The clamping issue really does seem to cause a lot of strangeness with league points.

I think it's safe to say the highest division in one league and the lowest division in another has a tremendous amount of overlap. Probably a lot of silver 1's who belong in gold 5 and a lot of gold 5's who belong in silver 1.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#332
On May 17 2013 01:59 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:20 Requizen wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
Collecting hipster credit now:

Nami was always (or always should have been) a R>Q>E>W. You use E on yourself to set up a Q, and just run in and cast W on either yourself or your AD and let it bounce around.

The important thing is that Nami is *not* Soraka. Soraka is a healbot, or rather, can be played as a healbot (which isn't really optimal honestly, battlemage Raka is hella fun to play). Nami is not a healbot, and should never ever be played as such. It would be like maxing... (insert useless or suboptimal skill here) first.

Maxing her heal is like maxing Taric's heal. I mean sure, you're getting more healing... but his other skills are much better to max prior. Same for Nami, people don't realize how good Q and E are, I see so many solo queue Namis focusing on W.


After the Taric nerfs, I tend to max heal first. :>

Already got more points in it in hard lanes prior to that. Then again I max E first on Lulu still, which apparently is terrible according to everyone. I don't play much Lulu though.



I tried lulu for a few normals, going standard R > Q > W > E, R > E > Q > W and R > E > W > Q. Can't really figure what i like the most >< Seems like shield is stupidly good if you have mutiple shields on your team, Q is good for peeling and trading in lane, W is kinda mixed since you can use it for the poly or give your AP carry 60 AP (stupid amount, it's 1305 gold AP for 5 seconds). I do think of the 3 ways to max, R > Q > W > E just seem the most logical way, unless you're a shield-heavy team.
hi
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 16 2013 17:42 GMT
#333
On May 17 2013 00:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
tpa is slumping as heck, tps is the real deal


not really

sometimes weird shit strategies like nasus mid/ nunu top just don't work out vs jayce/diana/zac

<-- is n1 tpa fanboy tl

i had thought that nasus mid counters diana mid... at least that what i hypothesized after watching a fair number of chinese games.

speaking of which, i hardly see him anymore. wither nerfs were really that bad?
dyepaintball088
Profile Joined March 2011
United States44 Posts
May 16 2013 17:42 GMT
#334
On May 16 2013 06:31 Seuss wrote:
TF picks will drop precipitously for a few months and then everyone will realize that he's still awesome the same way Karthus randomly resurged a few months after his supposedly crippling ult CD nerfs


This.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:49:49
May 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#335
On May 17 2013 02:34 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:59 zer0das wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:20 Requizen wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
Collecting hipster credit now:

Nami was always (or always should have been) a R>Q>E>W. You use E on yourself to set up a Q, and just run in and cast W on either yourself or your AD and let it bounce around.

The important thing is that Nami is *not* Soraka. Soraka is a healbot, or rather, can be played as a healbot (which isn't really optimal honestly, battlemage Raka is hella fun to play). Nami is not a healbot, and should never ever be played as such. It would be like maxing... (insert useless or suboptimal skill here) first.

Maxing her heal is like maxing Taric's heal. I mean sure, you're getting more healing... but his other skills are much better to max prior. Same for Nami, people don't realize how good Q and E are, I see so many solo queue Namis focusing on W.


After the Taric nerfs, I tend to max heal first. :>

Already got more points in it in hard lanes prior to that. Then again I max E first on Lulu still, which apparently is terrible according to everyone. I don't play much Lulu though.



I tried lulu for a few normals, going standard R > Q > W > E, R > E > Q > W and R > E > W > Q. Can't really figure what i like the most >< Seems like shield is stupidly good if you have mutiple shields on your team, Q is good for peeling and trading in lane, W is kinda mixed since you can use it for the poly or give your AP carry 60 AP (stupid amount, it's 1305 gold AP for 5 seconds). I do think of the 3 ways to max, R > Q > W > E just seem the most logical way, unless you're a shield-heavy team.


Using E as a shield is only half its potential-- its the fact that it turns attacks into a machine gun that make it really useful. It's a skill that essentially scales with its target's attack speed-- early on you and your AD are about the same in that respect, so its not as good as it will be later on. also, q cost increases less per level, and its slow increases.

On May 17 2013 02:42 kainzero wrote:
i had thought that nasus mid counters diana mid... at least that what i hypothesized after watching a fair number of chinese games.

speaking of which, i hardly see him anymore. wither nerfs were really that bad?


was a jayce mid and a diana top iirc, though tpa also did a lane switch so nunu was bot
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#336
Hit my end of season goal already last night!

[image loading]

New nunu jungle looks godly, pretty sad I refunded my Nunu Bot skin at the start of S3.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 16 2013 17:49 GMT
#337
Congrats Diamond.

I want to see jungle Nunu in action. I am still skeptic. I want him to be good, because I want counterjungling to be a thing again.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
May 16 2013 17:53 GMT
#338
On May 16 2013 23:50 NeoIllusions wrote:

Moving on to a more relevant topic. I, NeoIllusions, am a scumbag Rumble player. He was definitely one of my go to champions for Top Lane. That said, I'll need to playtest Rumble myself today but I have a strong feeling that he's rather gutted. I think the Flamespitter change I could have lived with but holy shit that Harpoon nerf hurts. Not simply on a harassment level but the fact that Rumble usually has to use Harpoons to last hit against a severe lane bully.


Yeah, when they first introduced the harpoon nerf but danger zone buff it was even in the danger zone, but a nerf outside of it. So it hurt hurt last hitting and being able to 1vs2, but wouldn't have been too big of a deal to SoloQ. Removing the danger zone increase just hurts the spell a lot. One of the more satisfying moments as a Rumble is hitting some dangerzone harpoons for tons of damage.

If you're still looking for a Tanky AP tops I'd take a glance at Cho as well. He's fallen out of flavor but going top allows you to be slightly more of a damage threat than jungle. Zac is obviously a strong choice though.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#339
Not sure if everyone's seen the Garena all-star video but Harleluyer is anime as hell
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 18:00:51
May 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#340
On May 17 2013 02:49 Ketara wrote:
Congrats Diamond.

I want to see jungle Nunu in action. I am still skeptic. I want him to be good, because I want counterjungling to be a thing again.



He's gonna be FotM with a high pick/ban rate in LCS. I don't see him being "tested out" and then thrown away, he's already strong as it is. My guess on an ideal build would be boots5+Spirit spectral+locket+runic. He's gonna be an absolute monster dominating the entire map cus he roams like a boss with Blood Boil. They overdid it with those additional buffs imo, but i guess it's because they want people to completely forget how retardedly OP Nunu is on top lane at the moment.
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