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I'm talking about the general trend of 1v1s. If you were around for the SoloMid tournament, it was these rules almost directly. When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
I never said these rules were good. I'm just explaining the reasoning I believe they exist in the current form. These are just old rules, and they probably need changing.
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How come they aren't switching sides?
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On May 05 2013 06:43 ketchup wrote:
When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
That makes as little sense as saying football should be played until the first goal.
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Who even cares. I doubt anyone thinks this tournament will really prove who the best Riven in NA is. At best it proves who's the best a 1v1ing a mirror Riven match up (and it doesn't even necessarily prove that).
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On May 05 2013 07:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:43 ketchup wrote:
When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
That makes as little sense as saying football should be played until the first goal.
This is pretty true.
But many LoL players are entitled to typing «gg» in all chat then afk after first blood anyway, so it seems it's even the rule in ranked sometimes.
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On May 05 2013 07:08 overt wrote:
Who even cares. I doubt anyone thinks this tournament will really prove who the best Riven in NA is. At best it proves who's the best a 1v1ing a mirror Riven match up (and it doesn't even necessarily prove that).
Tournament 1v1 is an interesting game format with its own nuances and highlights. It's unfortunate that the League community neglects it so much (even so far as to not revise outdated nonsensical rules).
On May 05 2013 07:09 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 07:05 TheYango wrote:On May 05 2013 06:43 ketchup wrote:
When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
That makes as little sense as saying football should be played until the first goal. This is pretty true. But many LoL players are entitled to typing «gg» in all chat then afk after first blood anyway, so it seems it's even the rule in ranked sometimes.
lol, touche
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On May 05 2013 07:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:43 ketchup wrote:
When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
That makes as little sense as saying football should be played until the first goal.
Really? Really? Are you sure you want to use such a bad analogy here?
Plus, I'm just going by all the old days of when people did 1v1s. As I mentioned, the solomid 1v1 tourney way back in beta was done by these rules. Again, as I said, whether or not I agree with them has no bearing. It doesn't matter what I think, it's just a matter of what the tournament organizer made them. I don't know if there is some misunderstanding here, but I am in no way involved with leaguepedia or this tournament. I'm just answering the question presented on why 1v1 is first blood. My answer was it's always been this way in the LoL community, way back during the beta days, and the trend continued.
As someone pointed out the CRS tourney was better organized, but that's something you probably want to point out to the Leaguepedia guys, and not to me.
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On May 05 2013 07:09 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 07:05 TheYango wrote:On May 05 2013 06:43 ketchup wrote:
When someone thinks of "1v1" and asks what rules should be to assign the win. The initial thought of anyone will be first blood.
That makes as little sense as saying football should be played until the first goal. This is pretty true. But many LoL players are entitled to typing «gg» in all chat then afk after first blood anyway, so it seems it's even the rule in ranked sometimes.
well played
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To be fair Yango, in a mirror matchup I think that Firstblood is pretty much a lane win.
Its not like the riven losing going to suddenly hit a level 6 powerspike and then overcome the winning level 7 Riven who is currently in a comparative lull in power or something.
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I dunno, Riven does outscale Riven pretty hard.
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On May 05 2013 07:19 iCanada wrote:
To be fair Yango, in a mirror matchup I think that Firstblood is pretty much a lane win.
Its not like the riven losing going to suddenly hit a level 6 powerspike and then overcome the winning level 7 Riven who is currently in a comparative lull in power or something.
You're assuming that the winner was even/already ahead when they got the kill.
What about a desperate all-in? What about a counter-kill against the player who was winning beforehand? What about the situation we JUST had where they both die (which is what sparked this discussion in the first place)? This is further muddled by the fact that the player who was killed might have a summoner spell advantage over the player who killed him (who potentially burned more summoners trying to kill him), meaning he actually does have a timing advantage at least in one aspect over the other player.
There are lots of situations where the game could still be pretty close after the FB. Obviously there are also situations where it could be 2-2 and pretty even after the 3rd kill, but those are far less likely.
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Rules should probably be updated but I don't think the rules for a mirror match up tournament that only exists because Leaguepedia saw a way to get some publicity is all that important. This only exists because BoxBox and Best Riven NA had an e-peen fight over who was better at Riven and Leaguepedia was like, "reddit is already digging this let's have a tournament." They're probably just testing the waters for future 1v1 tournaments anyway and so long as someone makes a convincing thread on /r/leagueoflegends they'll probably go with a different ruleset for the next 1v1 tournament that they do.
Although if it's another mirror match up tournament it still won't really prove anything.
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Should be some sort of standardized 3 kills or tower type thing
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Dyrus wins 2nd game after wickd helped him:
Wickd: To use mass regen
» *** cloth shitty armor
» and trash elixir
» REGEN wins.
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How does farming behind their tower help at all in a 1v1? Can't they just do the exact same thing..
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some of these rules are pretty questionable like the cs one lol
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Wow they actually used the 30 cs thing lol this is meant to be fun but it seems like a waste of time.
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not really
was no reasonable way the other dude was going to catch up without some serious fuck up
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On May 05 2013 08:05 RagequitBM wrote:
How does farming behind their tower help at all in a 1v1? Can't they just do the exact same thing..
You can't walk through the jungle to get behind the other person's tower
What it enables is for you to base without losing any creeps since you're farming them so early on in the lane and to get 100% of the CS since nothing else can do damage to the creeps. It's optimal if you can get the creeps without getting harassed by the other laner.
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On May 05 2013 08:08 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:05 RagequitBM wrote:
How does farming behind their tower help at all in a 1v1? Can't they just do the exact same thing.. You can't walk through the jungle to get behind the other person's tower What it enables is for you to base without losing any creeps since you're farming them so early on in the lane and to get 100% of the CS since nothing else can do damage to the creeps. It's optimal if you can get the creeps without getting harassed by the other laner.
on top of that if other guy tries to harass you he loses both gold and xp.
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