EPTHave you guys ever tried it?
Yi literally does no damage to you. You can't outroam him anyway. If he wants to hard push you, free farm at turret and be more useful lategame while ensuring you ping MIA.
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Have you guys ever tried it? Yi literally does no damage to you. You can't outroam him anyway. If he wants to hard push you, free farm at turret and be more useful lategame while ensuring you ping MIA. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Ever since his W got nerfed, it has been a lot easier to face him in lane - I usually just bring a lot of potion and just survive the laning phase. It is possible to all-in him provided you see an opening, but you have to be able to be at relatively full health to seize such opportunity. Of course, if this is too hard, you can always play Mordekaiser.... Morde will huehueroll over AP Yis like no tomorrow. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:38 iCanada wrote: ... Have you guys ever tried it? Yi literally does no damage to you. You can't outroam him anyway. If he wants to hard push you, free farm at turret and be more useful lategame while ensuring you ping MIA. You don't always need to strictly counter an enemy's roam with a counter roam. Sometimes it's just better to shove out the lane; and farm wraiths instead. Can always play out lane like Froggen, and just exert so much lane pressure mid that either the enemy misses out on a fuckton of farm by roaming, or they're forced to stay in lane. Either way, you win out the lane. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:41 NovaTheFeared wrote: Being shoved to turret all game long isn't a good way to win. Even if the laners are safe, who is going to protect your jungler? Either you get shoved to your tower all game long, or you lose lane. Either way Master Yi going to have much bigger impact early game. Personally, I'd much rather get farmed and be more than a glorified support later in the game. On May 14 2013 08:42 wei2coolman wrote: You don't always need to strictly counter an enemy's roam with a counter roam. Sometimes it's just better to shove out the lane; and farm wraiths instead. Can always play out lane like Froggen, and just exert so much lane pressure mid that either the enemy misses out on a fuckton of farm by roaming, or they're forced to stay in lane. Either way, you win out the lane. Thats my point. If Yi Ganking before like level 7 or 8, wave clear an issue, but after that it is really really not. You can still shove decently. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:49 Amui wrote: What if each buff camp after getting killed spawned a camp, and each kill reduced the spawn time of the buff by 20 seconds. No monsters will spawn if a buff is spawning within one minute. Base spawn time on a buff increased to 5:20, but with a fast jungler and good timing, you can reduce the spawn time down to 4:20. Saint Vicious would never leave the jungle. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:41 NovaTheFeared wrote: Being shoved to turret all game long isn't a good way to win. Even if the laners are safe, who is going to protect your jungler? sight ward - 75g | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:50 wei2coolman wrote: Saint Vicious would never leave the jungle. Maybe he could finally give the General a challenge then. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:44 iCanada wrote: Either you get shoved to your tower all game long, or you lose lane. Either way Master Yi going to have much bigger impact early game. Personally, I'd much rather get farmed and be more than a glorified support later in the game. That is pretty much losing lane. You'll be behind in CS and get outroamed if you are at your tower all game. If you shove as hard you can take wraithcamps to get ahead/stay even, or pressure mid tower when Yi leaves. Orianna should be safe enough without a maxed shield against Yi, she can farm from a pretty good distance. Just gotta watch out for early all-ins from Yi with a charged up double strike. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 14 2013 08:49 Amui wrote: What if each buff camp after getting killed spawned a camp, and each kill reduced the spawn time of the buff by 20 seconds. No monsters will spawn if a buff is spawning within one minute. Base spawn time on a buff increased to 5:20, but with a fast jungler and good timing, you can reduce the spawn time down to 4:20. Sounds convoluted. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35092 Posts
J4 doesn't give armor anymore. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Against AP Yi you counterpick Nocturne mid. Good ganks, freefarm, solid scaling into lategame with said freefarm. What's not to like? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11338 Posts
Yeah, simpler solution would simply be something like a golem/wraith camp spawning there while the buff is gone, and if those are there when the buff would respawn, they turn into the buff. If not, the buff spawns. Generally speaking, there should be more stuff in the jungle, making a good clear more advantageous. At the moment you basically just want an ok-clear, after that killing the jungle creeps faster gets diminishing results very quickly. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 14 2013 09:16 Shikyo wrote: All these silly picks. Against AP Yi you counterpick Nocturne mid. Good ganks, freefarm, solid scaling into lategame with said freefarm. What's not to like? I don't see how Noc is better than Mordekaiser as a counterpick against Yi. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2013 09:22 Sufficiency wrote: I don't see how Noc is better than Mordekaiser as a counterpick against Yi. Mordekaiser has far worse ganks of course, some of the weakest out of all midlaners. Nocturne's ganks are far stronger. I don't think Mordekaiser is really that strong and he needs to be constantly pushing, being vulnerable to ganks. Nocturne can play a lot more carefully when necessary. Nocturne also has some real kill potential on Yi whereas Mordekaiser doesn't. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
That's not a solution. If they see you coming who cares. Mid either loses farm or jungle loses control of his side 2v1. M5 used to play like this all the time. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:03 Requizen wrote: ObeseChicken is literally the most manly Nunu I've ever seen in my life Aws  Dem sneaky naut ganks too. Walk into lane. Ult from a full screen away. | ||
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