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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 15 2013 20:59 GMT
#1321
On April 16 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monkey couldn't get to late game

Monkey is all-in champion. Can't walk around and eat so much free harass like that. Lvl 1 fight was also bad.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 15 2013 20:59 GMT
#1322
he wasnt in range to E him
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
April 15 2013 20:59 GMT
#1323
I can't tell if Wickd is a complete god at Jayce or a complete scrub with that skillorder .-.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1324
And here they are at 100.000 viewers. Shit's crazy !
The legend of Darien lives on
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1325
On April 16 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monkey couldn't get to late game

Ofc what do you expect? This was already longer than expected. Wukong just can't do shit against Jayce.
Terran
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1326
Rofl EG celebrating so much ahhahahah this is too funny.
Forever Young
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1327
On April 16 2013 05:59 Dusty wrote:
I can't tell if Wickd is a complete god at Jayce or a complete scrub with that skillorder .-.

that was played bad, tbh im disappointed by both of them
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1328
hmm exhaust ignite cheese shit from wickd ~~ but still gg,cmon soaz
WarpStatus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States18 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1329
On April 16 2013 05:54 Goshawk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:53 WarpStatus wrote:
Why did he take exhaust ignite? I am disappointed because that is not a realistic scenario...


Really? You're disappointed that a 1v1 isn't a realistic scenario...



Its possible for Top to become an "island duel" in some situations. We can at least get information from that. A top taking exhaust ignite will never happen.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1330
Zzz just manup and say exhaust countered wukong. I am sure we see double exhaust/ignite now. Cheese.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#1331
On April 16 2013 05:59 Dusty wrote:
I can't tell if Wickd is a complete god at Jayce or a complete scrub with that skillorder .-.

He has not much experience with Jayce. I would not copy anything he does. :D
Off-season = best season
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#1332
101,000 viewers
HOLY WICKD
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#1333
On April 16 2013 06:00 sung_moon wrote:
Rofl EG celebrating so much ahhahahah this is too funny.


Isn't it obvious they are just having fun lolz?

If you gonna cheese with exh/ign dunno why don't just get adc.They should win easily .
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#1334
And ofc picking wukong is self countering, but I will ignore that.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 15 2013 21:02 GMT
#1335
On April 16 2013 06:00 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monkey couldn't get to late game

Ofc what do you expect? This was already longer than expected. Wukong just can't do shit against Jayce.

I still wanted him to win lol.

Also Wickd overtook sOAZ in the vote so everyone should go vote for sOAZ haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 15 2013 21:02 GMT
#1336
Meanwhile Xpeke doesnt give a fuk and still soloQing.
Terran
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 15 2013 21:03 GMT
#1337
On April 16 2013 04:55 Capriccioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 13:08 xes wrote:
On April 15 2013 12:37 Capriccioso wrote:
However, 5 deaf-mute random D1/challenger players playing with chat disabled will still have a very high win rate vs a team of 5 lower tier players who are mind-linked together with future tech so that they are a conglomerate single sentient being. Individual skills like mechanics, general game sense, understanding of champions, reaction time, and the ability to visualize plays before they happen will trump out.

In short, is solo queue important? For the established players. not at all. For the amateur players, absolutely.

Related note: Unless Elementz is a golden god of communication and shot-calling I can't imagine Curse would be worse off with a myriad of other supports.


That post goes against pretty much what every professional player or competitive TLer has said. WildTurtle was a soloq god if you paid attention to streamed soloq but he's said in interviews that in arranged play he mostly has 0 clue what he needs to do.

Ranked 5s is infinitely superior to ranked soloq in terms of developing an amateur competitive scene. Beyond basic mechanics, the skills involved in winning games are pretty different.


WildTurtle is a really good player. When he says that he has zero clue in arranged play he is over-exaggerating. Already, replacing Chaox with the Turtle has partly helped TSM's resurgence in the LCS. This comes as no surprise if you play with these players and see how they perform even if it is just solo queue. In time, I see no reason why WildTurtle can't become one of the best competitive players... because he got the tools he needed from solo queue. After all, how did the old CLG get formed back when they were THE team to beat, they were players at the top of the ladder who regularly played against each other in solo queue.

Ranked 5s are invaluable for amateur players, yes. But my point is more that if you play Ranked 5s with players who are below Diamond (even this might be generous), you are wasting your time. Invariably, players who are below Diamond I have individual flaws to their play that cannot be fixed just by playing in an arranged environment. If, for example, low ranked players made a ranked 5s team and got to high elo as a ranked team, then no doubt they would individually achieve high elo in solo queue provided that they take solo queue seriously and play their best roles/champs. The skills involved in winning games are different, but not to the embellished degree that people seem to think; after all, it is the same game. It doesn't matter how good your team play is if you get stomped in lane because your individual mechanics don't compare to a pro's.

If you were to watch a high elo solo queue game where everyone is in a mood to tryhard, and is playing their best roles/champs, it can be as educational as watching an LCS game.

lol, have you played ranked 5s?

even at ranked 5s silver level, the games are extremely difficult and tougher than anything i've played in league.

just because you play arranged doesn't mean you don't learn mechanics. if anything you learn them better because arranged teams know how to take advantage. no more of this crap like "blitz pulled and the AD didn't respond" or "support didn't buy wards." it's really tough, it's really tense, and you'll quickly learn the difference between bad calls and good calls. my friends roflstomp bot lanes in duo q/normals, can't do that in ranked 5s as often because most of the botlanes are smart enough not to fall for their tricks.

i played a solo q game yesterday for the first time in a long time and it was an awful experience. because of elo decay i'm in silver 5 and i got matched with a bunch of bronzies. there are things that i did with friends that i just took for granted; the ability to group and plan for dragons or siege towers, controlling how the lanes push in mid game, asking for wards in key spots, using the buddy system when clearing wards and protecting oracles, doing a proper baron dance, etc.
instead what happens is that i get monstrously fed because i developed mechanics in arranged 5s + team normals, then watch the advantage slip away as no one knows how to play the team game and everyone fights over trivial shit like the jungler arguing with the mid over blue buff, and no one knows how to group and people are getting caught on both teams.

it's pretty obvious which is the better atmosphere for developing your skills, whether it's individual skills or team skills, ranked 5s teaches you way more than solo q.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 15 2013 21:03 GMT
#1338
Lol Wickd looks like a Boxer now with that towel. Intense! :D

(btw I hope people dont take this duel too serious after its over)
Off-season = best season
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 15 2013 21:04 GMT
#1339
inb4 yorick barier/clarity
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 15 2013 21:04 GMT
#1340
On April 16 2013 06:03 Redox wrote:
Lol Wickd looks like a Boxer now with that towel. Intense! :D

(btw I hope people dont take this duel too serious after its over)

Yeah this is obviously a just for fun thing between them, although I suppose it could sway some of the last second votes.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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