EPTOn April 14 2013 07:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i really hate backseat initiators
i really hate backseat initiators
You sound mad.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On April 14 2013 07:09 Osmoses wrote: Had a 10 game losestreak today, playing solo top Riven. I usually win my lane, but I am very bad at teamfights, I just don't know when or how to engage. I mean, I've only ever played ADC and ap mid so obviously there's a learning curve, but it does kind of bug me how it can be so different. You don't engage as Riven unless you're assassinating somebody. If you have more questions we have a lovely Riven thread. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:51 TheYango wrote: Varus is a lot stronger than Ashe in lane. Particularly since he has the versatility to be able to play certain solo lanes (though admittedly most teams don't take advantage of this). Also, I'm not sure how Varus' steroid is more unwieldy than Ezreal's. Staying at 5 stacks to keep your Aspd buff vs. having to kill something, which your AoE spells will often just do incidentally anyway. I was talking about his W. In any case, Varus's popularity and strength do not line up because he is hard to keep safe while doing damage compared to every other ADC except Sivir and Draven. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
or in this meta, i'd even be tempted to say she needs a rework. :/ | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:13 cLutZ wrote: I was talking about his W. In any case, Varus's popularity and strength do not line up because he is hard to keep safe while doing damage compared to every other ADC except Sivir and Draven. If you are going to make statements about a champion's absolute strength I'm expecting like some stats or something....you cant just say they are weak yet get tourney picked all the time | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:24 sob3k wrote: If you are going to make statements about a champion's absolute strength I'm expecting like some stats or something....you cant just say they are weak yet get tourney picked all the time I dont think Varus is weak, just more comp specific than his tourney popularity would suggest. I really don't think I have seen a Varus dominate an LCS or OGN (in my few times watching) game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Since we were talking about Annie, random TOO game: botlane's 0-8 combined, Vayne is 8-1-X, doesn't matter because flash-Tibbers still shits on Vayne's range and she gets killed immediatly in fights. x) | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:24 sob3k wrote: If you are going to make statements about a champion's absolute strength I'm expecting like some stats or something....you cant just say they are weak yet get tourney picked all the time For a sec I thought you were arguing Sivir wasn't weak... that was almost awkward. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Not bad. First time running into an LCS player. And we lose. Duo Q OP. Feed too hard to carry game later =( | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On April 14 2013 07:38 zulu_nation8 wrote: i really hate backseat initiators they are my favorite type of girl | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:32 cLutZ wrote: I dont think Varus is weak, just more comp specific than his tourney popularity would suggest. I really don't think I have seen a Varus dominate an LCS or OGN (in my few times watching) game. Varus isn't that comp specific... He has good burst, a strong lane phase and mid game, decent late game damage (because he deals % health damage), and he has more utility than every ADC that isn't Ashe. Combine with 575 range. His only problem is the lack of an escape but his E/R can help him create some distance between himself and divers. Every ADC needs peel, even Ezreal. Varus is going to out put a respectable amount of dps in a team fight due to his long range and two great utility spells, he has a very strong lane phase, and he has high mid game burst (which is ideal right now since fast pushing low farm is so popular right now). He isn't super flashy but he does the job of poke down towers and deal dps just fine. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
And on another note, it's funny how much less you have farmed when playing as a team. Whereas in SoloQ I nearly always get 220/230 cs by the 20 minutes mark, it's very rare that I go over 150 when playing 5v5s, since we force so much objectives and the opponents put so much more pressure. Seriously, it's like a completly different game. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 14 2013 09:02 overt wrote: Varus isn't that comp specific... He has good burst, a strong lane phase and mid game, decent late game damage (because he deals % health damage), and he has more utility than every ADC that isn't Ashe. Combine with 575 range. His only problem is the lack of an escape but his E/R can help him create some distance between himself and divers. Every ADC needs peel, even Ezreal. Varus is going to out put a respectable amount of dps in a team fight due to his long range and two great utility spells, he has a very strong lane phase, and he has high mid game burst (which is ideal right now since fast pushing low farm is so popular right now). He isn't super flashy but he does the job of poke down towers and deal dps just fine. Thats how I feel about Varus. "Just fine". Maybe I have a S2 ADC mentality still, maybe I just like Cait, Vayne, Kog, MF, and Ez more "depending" on comps or something. Is Varus basically the Orianna of AD Carries then (a champ I really by the way)? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 14 2013 09:18 mr_tolkien wrote: Remember when I asked for players a few days ago ? Well, I found players, and it's pretty awesome ! I had never really tryharder 5s before but it seriously is such a different experience than solo queue. Even though in solo queue you try to be objective based, without vocal coordination, you can't play as smoothly as 5v5. And on another note, it's funny how much less you have farmed when playing as a team. Whereas in SoloQ I nearly always get 220/230 cs by the 20 minutes mark, it's very rare that I go over 150 when playing 5v5s, since we force so much objectives and the opponents put so much more pressure. Seriously, it's like a completly different game. there's d3 and then there's d3 hardcore | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On April 14 2013 09:18 mr_tolkien wrote: Remember when I asked for players a few days ago ? Well, I found players, and it's pretty awesome ! I had never really tryharder 5s before but it seriously is such a different experience than solo queue. Even though in solo queue you try to be objective based, without vocal coordination, you can't play as smoothly as 5v5. And on another note, it's funny how much less you have farmed when playing as a team. Whereas in SoloQ I nearly always get 220/230 cs by the 20 minutes mark, it's very rare that I go over 150 when playing 5v5s, since we force so much objectives and the opponents put so much more pressure. Seriously, it's like a completly different game. I am playing many more aranged 5's with friends lately, and even some 3v3's with our team instead of soloq for that exact reason, the gameis so much different, and much more enjoyable. Just today in our team of bronzes and silvers we won agaisnt a team of golds and platinums... they were so mad! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:21 ticklishmusic wrote: sivir needs da buffs yo or in this meta, i'd even be tempted to say she needs a rework. :/ New patch: shield reworked to dash. Ult reworked to damaging AoE ult. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 14 2013 09:35 obesechicken13 wrote: New patch: shield reworked to dash. Ult reworked to damaging AoE ult. lore rework: quin's long lost sister | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 14 2013 09:35 obesechicken13 wrote: New patch: shield reworked to dash. Ult reworked to damaging AoE ult. She had a surge of popularity after her partial rework where people would pick comp that can make use of her AS buff and rely on swarming the enemy. Then you'd have a Sona who'd press E while Sivir presses R and suddenly unless they have like Karthus' WoP they can't do anything because you have so much more MS. Then Riot gutted the ult duration and nerfed Sivir some more. | ||
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