EPTOn April 13 2013 19:52 dooraven wrote:
As much as I like Loco, I dunno why Pray isn't winning, but Koreans probably know more than me.
As much as I like Loco, I dunno why Pray isn't winning, but Koreans probably know more than me.
Loco vs DL ?
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 13 2013 19:52 dooraven wrote: As much as I like Loco, I dunno why Pray isn't winning, but Koreans probably know more than me. People want to see the old duo of Madlife and Locodoco again. I voted for Imp, but I don't think he'll win. The prospect of seeing ex-teammates settling out their differences, or completely freak out at the mere thought of having to play with one another again, is just too tempting to ignore I guess. I mean, I have no idea why Riot is putting so much weight into this tournament in the first place if they're not even going to adress the nature of the competition to the voters. Voting for your favourite players, and voting for who you believe should represent their region in their quest to gain that additional qualification spot are two completely different things. Then there's this issue of South East Asia not being able to vote for players from the same nation more than three times just to ensure that Taiwanese players do not dominate the votes. Riot couldn't have made the All Stars tournament any less of a legitimate competition even if they tried, yet they are ready to distribute their Season 3 World Championship spots according to the results. Either have a fun event, or run a legitimate competition, don't mix the two to pretend it's the best of both worlds. Jesus, fucking, christ. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
Also I really dislike this obsession with locodoco people have. Really can't stand him tbh. Would much rather see Score/madlife or Cpt Jack/Madlife or something like that. Also massive Quinn buffs on PBE along with the ones already live, if this goes through Top Quinn should be cool stuff :o | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 13 2013 21:01 Serelitz wrote: ^Bit ranty but I agree in essence. Especially the SEA stuff seems stupid to me. Also I really dislike this obsession with locodoco people have. Really can't stand him tbh. Would much rather see Score/madlife or Cpt Jack/Madlife or something like that. Also massive Quinn buffs on PBE along with the ones already live, if this goes through Top Quinn should be cool stuff :o I don't hate Locodoco, and choosing Cpt Jack wouldn't be an upgrade in any shape or form in my opnion. I just happen to believe that Imp is the superior player to him at the moment, and deserves the place instead if we are going to choose the players most worthy of attempting to gain their region an extra spot. I don't think people should be blamed for their personal preference if they were not notified of the nature of their votes by Riot. The responsibility of running a joke of a tournament lies with Riot. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 13 2013 20:52 Letmelose wrote: I mean, I have no idea why Riot is putting so much weight into this tournament in the first place if they're not even going to adress the nature of the competition to the voters. Riot's goal is not to create a fair tournament it's to create a shit load of hype and something that people are going to watch. The discussions have been ongoing about how people should vote, what we should be voting for etc... and everyone has to keep going back to the site and thinking about it each day. Riot know what they're doing. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 13 2013 21:45 Klive5ive wrote: Riot's goal is not to create a fair tournament it's to create a shit load of hype and something that people are going to watch. The discussions have been ongoing about how people should vote, what we should be voting for etc... and everyone has to keep going back to the site and thinking about it each day. Riot know what they're doing. Why don't they let a bunch of half naked girls play to hype the tournament even more? Have a fan participation section where the best dressed Ahri look-a-like gets to play with the biggest names in the scene. Why don't they rig the competition so that the most popular players win in the most dramatic fashion possible? There's a certain calibre I expect from a tournament that decides the placement of a World Championship slot. This is not it. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On April 13 2013 22:03 Letmelose wrote: Why don't they let a bunch of half naked girls play to hype the tournament even more? Have a fan participation section where the best dressed Ahri look-a-like gets to play with the biggest names in the scene. Why don't they rig the competition so that the most popular players win in the most dramatic fashion possible? There's a certain calibre I expect from a tournament that decides the placement of a World Championship slot. This is not it. Wow man put down that strawman, you're really not helping your own argument by arguing like that And I think you're overexaggerating the importance of the extra region slot. The team that makes it in via that slot is not going to be one of the top teams by definition, and has low chances of actually winning or placing in the WC. | ||
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LateralusGaming
119 Posts
On April 13 2013 21:01 Serelitz wrote: ^Bit ranty but I agree in essence. Especially the SEA stuff seems stupid to me. Also I really dislike this obsession with locodoco people have. Really can't stand him tbh. Would much rather see Score/madlife or Cpt Jack/Madlife or something like that. Also massive Quinn buffs on PBE along with the ones already live, if this goes through Top Quinn should be cool stuff :o It's kind of like NA's obsession with Doublelift being good. Like yeah, he was good once. But during this season of LCS he's been playing like shit. On top of that, he's an asshole. I don't like him. As for Locodoco, I don't have much of an opinion on him. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On April 13 2013 22:03 Letmelose wrote: Why don't they let a bunch of half naked girls play to hype the tournament even more? Have a fan participation section where the best dressed Ahri look-a-like gets to play with the biggest names in the scene. Why don't they rig the competition so that the most popular players win in the most dramatic fashion possible? There's a certain calibre I expect from a tournament that decides the placement of a World Championship slot. This is not it. I seem to remember some "network issues" just when the european favorites were about to lose 0-2 to a bunch of chinese guys eh ~_~ who then won the series in "the most epic bo3 in the history of esports" I think you're onto something 现在欧美DotA和中国DotA最大的区别是：欧美战队选的是英雄，中国DotA选的是体系 我是Teamliquid.net网站的DotA编辑之一，跟踪星际的粉丝应该是记得我们。 从TI2开始后网站正式加了DotA2版面又招了战队。最近经常看到各种各样关于欧美水平和风格的贴都不是很靠谱，我没事干摆一摆龙门阵吧 Teamliquid 战队，个人估计欧美第5左右 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/dota/liquid/TC.jpg) 1号位，TC 风格只有一个字，稳。不管什么局都会有经济，对线补刀基本功都是在欧美顶尖的， 但是是一种很味道很淡的稳，缺乏世界顶尖C的境界，作为团队5v5的核心是很好，但是很少会有惊人的举动，还不具备逆风局1v5拯救世界的霸气 英雄：LD，直升机，小狗 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/dota/liquid/korok.jpg) 2号位，Korok 风格也是一个字，飘。用的英雄都是有股灵气，凶猛的对线和闪闪的灵魂，对切入和节奏有独特的理解 但是飘也有飘的代价，其实给Chuan神刚刚来中国的时候有些相似，老兄在欧服200+ping还敢打Puck比赛里死的相当惨，上头犯R的情况也不少，顺了亮，没farm就没有存在感 英雄： Puck，蓝猫，QoP ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/dota/liquid/bulba.jpg) 3号位，Bulba DotA的经历和风格都是很杂，可以在各种各样的情况作团队需要的事情，对地图形式虚实有感觉。欧美稀有的总是有影响的3号位之一，适合全球流 相对基本功不是最好的，1v1对线经常吃亏。有的时候刷存在感过度在不该去的地方出现。 英雄： CG，先知，Tinker ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/dota/liquid/FlUFFNSTUFF.jpg) 4号位+队长，FLUFFNSTUFF 蛮像个小puppey的，还是喜欢打野英雄有想法的队长，擅长操作型英雄。对团队的动作和组合偏强。选的阵容奇招不少 奇招有时候会剑走偏锋，为了队员合理的配置会牺牲阵容的完整性。因为缺乏经验积累，逆风局和对瞬间变化的处理能力不是很强，中期不服剧本会打酱油 英雄：Chen，死灵龙，Enchantress ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/dota/liquid/ixmike88.jpg) 5号位，ixmike88 胡子哥，样子和走位都很猥琐。比较低调和尽职的辅助，有机会的时候偶尔有亮点 很负责加4号位偏刷就以为着他一直会很穷，就是打KOTL晚期也很难出关键性道具，走位一不小心就成泡渣 英雄：SD,拉比克，光法 总结：队伍比较灵活和有想法，一般风格是2-3核控制全场，打架和切入很强。问题是飘逸的英雄和不合理的阵容经常出现，比较年轻队员的经验在乱局和逆风局会出现问题。中期抗衡的时候不免会有些脱离和渺茫 | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On April 13 2013 22:03 Letmelose wrote: Why don't they let a bunch of half naked girls play to hype the tournament even more? Have a fan participation section where the best dressed Ahri look-a-like gets to play with the biggest names in the scene. RIOT PLZ. I KNOW YOU ARE READING. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
The game would be pretty boring though.They should have some pros play in the backstage and the girls pretending to be playing themselves! | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
320 IP to go until I can actually buy Syndra... Getting abit bored of playing Zed in lag -_- I'm sure Syndra in lag will be even worse, though... Luckily tomorrow I'll be back at home and will be able to play without lag - Will be interesting to see how much better I'll do then. Sidenote: I'vebeen getting stop lag and teleport lag in EUW, so that sometimes my champion just stops and nothing moves but hp bars drop, and also champions teleporting around the place randomly sometimes. Riot's new patch is too good, also have had many disconnecting people... | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On April 14 2013 00:36 nafta wrote: The game would be pretty boring though.They should have some pros play in the backstage and the girls pretending to be playing themselves! And the losers get spanked. I'd watch that. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 14 2013 00:09 thenexusp wrote: Wow man put down that strawman, you're really not helping your own argument by arguing like that And I think you're overexaggerating the importance of the extra region slot. The team that makes it in via that slot is not going to be one of the top teams by definition, and has low chances of actually winning or placing in the WC. If there is no point to making sure a tournament that decides the allocation for that extra spot for the World Championship has standards, and happens to be just about the viewership, why not go all the way? There needs to be a standard that needs to be kept in competitions of any kind, or else it degenerates into a form of entertainment, not a legitimate competition. I thought this site is one of the few in the world that actually cares about the integrity of a fairly run competition. The moment the issue of seeding ended up being involved, this tournament became a legitimate competition, not a hyped up showmatch. We need to treat it as such in my opinion, and Riot clearly is not doing so. Further more, I disagree that the decision to give a certain region an additional S3 World Championship spot can to be taken lightly. Fnatic were unable to qualify for IPL5, but with a stroke of luck were able to replace a team that were scheduled to be there, and ended up placing second. A team that fails to qualify for a certain tournament may also have the capability win it if they happen to be on a roll. The consequences of the team that qualify for the World Championship, and the ones that don't, due to this seeding placement, cannot be taken lightly. Surely anybody who expects the players pour in the hours just for the chance to make it into the World Championship, would also expect Riot to take their responsibility of allocating these spots to the players seriously. Riot cares about the viewership, and money. I get that. It's a business. But it's also a competition, and I want to at least have the illusion of a legitimate competition going on. That's all I'm asking for. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407599 The first OGN write up. Have fun and enjoy! | ||
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United States418 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 14 2013 00:42 Letmelose wrote: If there is no point to making sure a tournament that decides the allocation for that extra spot for the World Championship has standards, and happens to be just about the viewership, why not go all the way? There needs to be a standard that needs to be kept in competitions of any kind, or else it degenerates into a form of entertainment, not a legitimate competition. I thought this site is one of the few in the world that actually cares about the integrity of a fairly run competition. The moment the issue of seeding ended up being involved, this tournament became a legitimate competition, not a hyped up showmatch. We need to treat it as such in my opinion, and Riot clearly is not doing so. Further more, I disagree that the decision to give a certain region an additional S3 World Championship spot can to be taken lightly. Fnatic were unable to qualify for IPL5, but with a stroke of luck were able to replace a team that were scheduled to be there, and ended up placing second. A team that fails to qualify for a certain tournament may also have the capability win it if they happen to be on a roll. The consequences of the team that qualify for the World Championship, and the ones that don't, due to this seeding placement, cannot be taken lightly. Surely anybody who expects the players pour in the hours just for the chance to make it into the World Championship, would also expect Riot to take their responsibility of allocating these spots to the players seriously. Riot cares about the viewership, and money. I get that. It's a business. But it's also a competition, and I want to at least have the illusion of a legitimate competition going on. That's all I'm asking for. I think Riot is more approaching this from the perspective of say, the MLB All-Star game. They still want it to be a fan-voted all-star game, mostly for fun, mostly for exposure, hype, etc. They do however want the players at the game to play for realsies, like the game means something, and the best way to do that is to make the game(s in this case) actually mean something. There are tons of people that dislike the MLB solution as well so I'm not saying it's perfect or anything, but at the same time it is better now than it was for the years leading up to the rule change(game was awful). The Pro-Bowl is facing possible revamps for this reason as well, and although it's for some different reasons(pro football players face pretty significant injury chances on a per-game basis, and don't see giving ANY effort in the game as worth the risk), giving the game some meaning might go a long way to helping that problem. | ||
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