[Patch 3.05: Balance Update] General Discussion - Page 139

On April 22 2013 12:58 sylverfyre wrote:

This. He just has ALL THE THINGS. It's not any one thing that makes him OP, but the combination of his entire kit.

He has an aoe shield (all other support shields are single target, except Lux and mantraKarma.)
He has a long range hard CC move (which hitting causes death very often),
He has good harass
He has additional CC moves.
He has this crazy utility feature that is hard to utilize at maximum effectiveness except at the pro level.
As a support, he scales incredibly well into late game, not only due to the huge amount of free AP, Armor, and OnHit damage from souls, but also due to the fact that hooks are naturally amazing for late game because of pickoff potential.

I feel like the Lantern's range/leash range should be reduced - it's basically something that makes him incredibly at the pro level and less OP at lower levels. With coordination, it allows for a team to take significantly bigger risks than they normally could, and create opportunities where there are none.

As far as winrates, "Normal" supports are always going to have a high winrate because of this sampling bias: A lane with a normal support will have higher than 50% win rate a lane with someone who hates support and is picking garbage "not really supports" which happens in a LOT of low/mid games.

This lends a natural advantage to supports, especially those who match well with most anything. (Janna Sona Thresh.)

Also, another lovely thing about thresh's hook is that it gives your AD carry a "hey, lets fight!" before you go DIVING ON TOP OF THE ENEMY unlike Leona's gapclose.

I don't feel like there's a lot of "how to counterplay" available, either. Like, there's "Don't get hooked" but even then, you can't just go rambo fighting just because hook is down (like you often can vs. Blitz) - he still does a lot of autoattack damage (Basically Lulu+Sona combined.) or counter the fighting with E/W. I feel like the only saving grace is that his W has travel time, so you can't interrupt shield very well the way you can with Janna or Lulu shields.

On April 22 2013 15:53 Cloud9157 wrote:
I wish I knew what people were talking about when I hear "Thresh is really strong". Have yet to play against a really good Thresh in lane, only average ones/when he first came out. I can tell how good he is by LCS play, but I don't have first hand experience getting completely stomped by a Thresh.

Also, Vlad is still really strong I feel, no matter how much people complain about how bad he is.

On April 22 2013 16:51 Cixah wrote:
I hate. Hate. HATE the new pings. The way they are pressed and specifically the noises they make give me crippling migraines. My only solution is to play with sound completely off, which is pretty detrimental because apparently no one can type 3 letters anymore.

Is there a way to alter them to a less obnoxious sound? Or at least limit them so i only hear them from someone once a minute?

On April 22 2013 16:55 Ryuu314 wrote:

I like the new pings... I don't really use any of them except the mia ping, but I find it helpful. It's easier to mia ping than to type mia. You might be able to mess with the sound files to change the ping sounds.

On April 22 2013 16:38 FaCE_1 wrote:
btw, is there a place where it's possible to find a 5v5 team to play with? It's nice to soloQ but I would like to play with a 5 player team some time

On April 22 2013 17:01 Cixah wrote:


The mia ping is half my problem, I can't play a game because of it. The sound it makes is so ridiculously stupid that it makes my brain hurt. The other half of the issue is that, with my sound off I can't hear anything so when 4 people show up bot for a gank and then i check chat to see a whole slue of pings going off rather than 3 easy letter.

That and the community deems it fit to call me hellen keller whenever I ask them to type mia rather than ping it for my sake.

On April 22 2013 16:00 sob3k wrote:


you play pretty boring champs

On April 22 2013 17:45 overt wrote:
Ran a poke/siege five man comp tonight. Y'know, where five dudes just hammer down mid lane at the start of the game with Caitlyn/Heimer and then various other champions who work in that comp (we used Nidalee/Xerath/Soraka because Blitz was banned and I was on Caitlyn and no one else on my fives team knows how to TF). It's stupid amounts of fun to play as but I can only imagine how frustrating it is to play against. I've seen the game where I believe CJ Entus' LoL team ran a comp similar to this and won with it but there are few good examples of it being beaten.

So what works to beat this? They had AP Yi mid (which I thought would be strong against our comp) along with Cho jungle/Support Fid/Irelia/Vayne. At the start they sent four mid and let Irelia solo top then Vayne went bot to soak up XP/farm. But our push was too strong and we got all three mid towers before Irelia even bothered to come mid.

The game went on pretty long but our comp was basically designed to siege and there's wasn't. Not to mention we had our Raka pick up mana manip at the beginning so our staying power was ridiculous. I know that they misplayed but I haven't seen high level play of this comp failing only high level play of it working (granted no one would care to post vods of it failing but as far as I know it's only been used in pro play once and it worked and I've seen multiple high Elo vods of it working too). What are the best things to run if you realize the other team is running this?

Also we saved Heimer pick for last so our comp looked pretty standard until then. Which is what's so annoying/trolly about running this comp.