EPTOne kit change you could make though is take away Thresh's ability to do anything while hooked in. Don't let him move around, don't let him throw a lantern, make him do those first. Once you've thrown your hook you do the tugging motion and decide whether to fly or not, anything else has to wait until he finishes tugging (or before).
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
One kit change you could make though is take away Thresh's ability to do anything while hooked in. Don't let him move around, don't let him throw a lantern, make him do those first. Once you've thrown your hook you do the tugging motion and decide whether to fly or not, anything else has to wait until he finishes tugging (or before). | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 22 2013 09:12 Gahlo wrote: Thresh is the support Irelia. This. He just has ALL THE THINGS. It's not any one thing that makes him OP, but the combination of his entire kit. He has an aoe shield (all other support shields are single target, except Lux and mantraKarma.) He has a long range hard CC move (which hitting causes death very often), He has good harass He has additional CC moves. He has this crazy utility feature that is hard to utilize at maximum effectiveness except at the pro level. As a support, he scales incredibly well into late game, not only due to the huge amount of free AP, Armor, and OnHit damage from souls, but also due to the fact that hooks are naturally amazing for late game because of pickoff potential. I feel like the Lantern's range/leash range should be reduced - it's basically something that makes him incredibly at the pro level and less OP at lower levels. With coordination, it allows for a team to take significantly bigger risks than they normally could, and create opportunities where there are none. As far as winrates, "Normal" supports are always going to have a high winrate because of this sampling bias: A lane with a normal support will have higher than 50% win rate a lane with someone who hates support and is picking garbage "not really supports" which happens in a LOT of low/mid games. This lends a natural advantage to supports, especially those who match well with most anything. (Janna Sona Thresh.) Also, another lovely thing about thresh's hook is that it gives your AD carry a "hey, lets fight!" before you go DIVING ON TOP OF THE ENEMY unlike Leona's gapclose. I don't feel like there's a lot of "how to counterplay" available, either. Like, there's "Don't get hooked" but even then, you can't just go rambo fighting just because hook is down (like you often can vs. Blitz) - he still does a lot of autoattack damage (Basically Lulu+Sona combined.) or counter the fighting with E/W. I feel like the only saving grace is that his W has travel time, so you can't interrupt shield very well the way you can with Janna or Lulu shields. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 22 2013 11:39 TheYango wrote: TBH I think the whole concept of Soraka as a support only ever worked because her numbers were too strong at the time. So much of what she does scales off having farm. I miss soraka mid. RIP. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 22 2013 08:50 Ryuu314 wrote: imo skarner is garbage because they removed the "bug" of not being able to flash out of his ult. personally i think that fix hurt him a lot more than people think. It's SO so easy to flash away from skarner's flash ult. Honestly they should just make his ult 0 cast time, so there isn't this "I flashed away and rubber band" but there also isn't the problem of "I flash and start my ult, but they flash away" either. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On April 22 2013 13:59 Juicyfruit wrote: Infuse is cool but starcall is pretty dumb. It's technically a really strong skill that's wasted as a support, and conversely infuse is a pretty shitty spell for a solo laner. soraka change: stacking mr debuff -> stacking armor debuff you're welcome, soraka players. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 22 2013 13:59 Juicyfruit wrote: Infuse is cool but starcall is pretty dumb. It's technically a really strong skill that's wasted as a support, and conversely infuse is a pretty shitty spell for a solo laner. I think her kit made a lot more sense when it was AP/Support than AD/Support. MR, MR Shred, infinity mana. Heal also used to give MR before it got moved to passive. Starcall makes more sense when you pair it with Annie. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On April 22 2013 13:59 Juicyfruit wrote: Infuse is cool but starcall is pretty dumb. It's technically a really strong skill that's wasted on a support. If they rework soraka to be a better support they really just need to make her Q something more useable. Fun fact: Starcall has the highest potential MR shred! I don't think anyone here disputes that Thresh is powerful. We should discuss how to play against him, but saying that he's OP and has no counterplay doesn't help that, and I'm pretty sure Riot is already aware of Thresh's power levels (even if live balance team did read TL) ... A Rioter said that pros were complaining about how Thresh and Lulu were crowding out the other supports so we should expect to see some changes in the near future. As to how to play against Thresh ... go Lulu? She's another support that does almost everything, and she was lumped with Thresh in the pro player sentiment statement so there's probably something there. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:00 Eiii wrote: soraka change: stacking mr debuff -> stacking armor debuff you're welcome, soraka players. Then I would play jungle Soraka with Lizard Spirit. Starcall is like the best spell in the game for applying Lizard Spirit, but it's on a champ that the item is completely nonsensical for. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:11 TheYango wrote: Then I would play jungle Soraka with Lizard Spirit. Starcall is like the best spell in the game for applying Lizard Spirit, but it's on a champ that the item is completely nonsensical for. It's not nonsensical if you play AD SORAKA | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
yeah that armor shred would be really good if you ever had time to auto.... | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:22 sob3k wrote: yeah that armor shred would be really good if you ever had time to auto.... Sounds like you need more AS for your AD SORAKA. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:22 sob3k wrote: yeah that armor shred would be really good if you ever had time to auto.... Ibg in between each starfall cast. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
 So i have 4800 RP, i dont really have a "main" but i prefer non-carries so support/jungle/top. Ive been out of the meta and all so i dont know who's been hit with the nerf bat (or buffed) help me out a little guys :3 Im good with: Leona, Soraka, Taric, Warwick, Olaf, Garen, Maokai, Nasus, Malphite I pretty much have zero of the champs available in the 3 - 4.8k range so just recommend solid champs from that price range if you can, like i said im out of the meta. ALSO anything interesting happen while i was away, any major changes? Thanks guys | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Also, Vlad is still really strong I feel, no matter how much people complain about how bad he is. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:50 Capped wrote: So i just came back after a couple months, im a bit out of whack. Planning to buy a new champ though, because runes are boring So i have 4800 RP, i dont really have a "main" but i prefer non-carries so support/jungle/top. Ive been out of the meta and all so i dont know who's been hit with the nerf bat (or buffed) help me out a little guys :3 Im good with: Leona, Soraka, Taric, Warwick, Olaf, Garen, Maokai, Nasus, Malphite I pretty much have zero of the champs available in the 3 - 4.8k range so just recommend solid champs from that price range if you can, like i said im out of the meta. ALSO anything interesting happen while i was away, any major changes? Thanks guys udyr got changed/buffed with MS and some other changes and is pretty strong now, you play pretty boring champs so he'd fit your roster. Nasus jungle is really popular now. Shen is strong. Why not Shen? Jarvan would also be a great idea IMO, strong top and jungle and hell you can support jarvan. Xin also very strong top and jungle. nothing interesting happened no....unless you've been away so long you were gone when olaf got nerfed hard rumble ult got nerfed, less initial damage. Thats the most exciting change for top lane. Karma got a full rework and is a more standard AP utility mage with a skillshot and stuff. oh, thresh is really good if you play support but he is 6300. Can be topped too as AD. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6178 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:50 Capped wrote: So i just came back after a couple months, im a bit out of whack. Planning to buy a new champ though, because runes are boring So i have 4800 RP, i dont really have a "main" but i prefer non-carries so support/jungle/top. Ive been out of the meta and all so i dont know who's been hit with the nerf bat (or buffed) help me out a little guys :3 Im good with: Leona, Soraka, Taric, Warwick, Olaf, Garen, Maokai, Nasus, Malphite I pretty much have zero of the champs available in the 3 - 4.8k range so just recommend solid champs from that price range if you can, like i said im out of the meta. ALSO anything interesting happen while i was away, any major changes? Thanks guys Not sure if you have her but if you like to support, get Sona, she is awesome (my main support). For Top/jung, I would suggest ChoGath. | ||
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