EPTThis was the comp they won game 4 with.
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
This was the comp they won game 4 with. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:15 iCanada wrote: Not even just level 2 ganks, I think J4's pre-6 ganks always pretty good. One big tip is to not always open with the EQ combo. If you dont need the gap closer/CC dont use it till you do. Especially low elo lots of players straight up dont ward, so you can just go from behind and run at them and get your W + Red Buff slow on them. Then if they flash or use an escape skill you can just follow them. Another example of this is Lee Sin, so many players try to open up Lee ganks with his Q, when often you can just run at them or W to a creep, then you can still follow their "escape" with Q-Q. Lee is also probably the best champion for learning to jungle, esp at Bronze. + Show Spoiler + learning to jungle = you may lose the first 10 games you play because hitting skillshots is too hard | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:15 iCanada wrote: Not even just level 2 ganks, I think J4's pre-6 ganks always pretty good. One big tip is to not always open with the EQ combo. If you dont need the gap closer/CC dont use it till you do. Especially low elo lots of players straight up dont ward, so you can just go from behind and run at them and get your W + Red Buff slow on them. Then if they flash or use an escape skill you can just follow them. Another example of this is Lee Sin, so many players try to open up Lee ganks with his Q, when often you can just run at them or W to a creep, then you can still follow their "escape" with Q-Q. ... It really sucks to read obvious things and think about all the times I didn't do this  with any jungler | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:28 Dark_Chill wrote: ... It really sucks to read obvious things and think about all the times I didn't do this with any jungler There is always things to learn and room to grow. If there was not, there would be no point in doing anything. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:27 xes wrote: Lee is also probably the best champion for learning to jungle, esp at Bronze. + Show Spoiler + learning to jungle = you may lose the first 10 games you play because hitting skillshots is too hard Idk I found lee to be really hard being he's so deep as a champ. Knowing how to positions yourself in teamfights, what order to hit your skills based on, when to ward jump (and where), etc. Those TPA skins are good stuff, I wantz! | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:27 xes wrote: Lee is also probably the best champion for learning to jungle, esp at Bronze. + Show Spoiler + learning to jungle = you may lose the first 10 games you play because hitting skillshots is too hard I still feel Udyr is great at teaching you how to jungle. Very safe, great clear, and simplistic ganks. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
1. Why did the LCS commentators (Riot employees) release information on the importance of this event when other regions refused to confirm anything? 2. Chinese players are selected by their MVP points, South East Asian players have a restriction on the number of players that can be represent a single nation, why are some regions being handicapped whereas some get to truly select their best players? 3. If Riot does not care about a legitimate competition (which must be the only logical explanation from how they handled this tournament), why did they limit cross regional competition in the first place? They took the monopoly on truly large scale international competition and they're turning it into a show, not a legitimate competition. Sure they will get the viewers and the hype, but they showed their colours with this move for me. They took control of everything and are willing to sacrifice everything for commercial gains. I'm disillusioned beyond words. Why did Riot promote themselves as a company that cares about players and E-Sports? And to think they were any different to the whores Blizzard turned into. At least be honest with your bullshit. Just say you want a bigger bank account, don't trick people into believing you. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
damn, only Ori looks abit underwhelming but the other skins look so badass *_* + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zy1traX.jpg) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I don't really think the Chinese were handicapped. From what I've seen of their line up they are probably the favorites to win. Look at NA/EU where they got to vote. NA definitely isn't getting the best support they could be and you could make legitimate arguments that xPeke is better than Alex Ich or that CandyPanda/Hosan and maybe Yellowstar are better than Genja. An All-Stars match is always going to be a show though. Like you're never going to have an All-Stars game that really proves anything. You could argue that the stakes are too high maybe but I think they handled it fine otherwise (although SEA having nation restrictions is dumb when EU had no such restriction). It's like beating a dead horse on this subject here on TL. But I think people are getting way too angry over this All-Stars game. The extra slot for worlds is definitely huge and maybe an All-Stars game isn't the best way to do it but it's a sound business move on Riot's part and it's by far the most exciting thing that's happened in League since S2 finals. Saying that Riot doesn't care about eSports because of this is taking it a bit too far imo. edit: Also when I think about it I'm not 100% certain Riot is going to make much money off this event anyway. They get a lot of exposure which you could argue translates into money by generating interest in their game. But they have to pay to fly all these teams to China. They have to pay to host the event. None of that is going to come cheap and their only real revenue is ad revenue during the streams (which will have high viewership but I'm skeptical that it'll be able to cover the costs of the event). | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 18 2013 17:23 overt wrote: I was unaware about the first point, that's pretty fucked up. I don't really think the Chinese were handicapped. From what I've seen of their line up they are probably the favorites to win. Look at NA/EU where they got to vote. NA definitely isn't getting the best support they could be and you could make legitimate arguments that xPeke is better than Alex Ich or that CandyPanda/Hosan and maybe Yellowstar are better than Genja. An All-Stars match is always going to be a show though. Like you're never going to have an All-Stars game that really proves anything. You could argue that the stakes are too high maybe but I think they handled it fine otherwise (although SEA having nation restrictions is dumb when EU had no such restriction). It's like beating a dead horse on this subject here on TL. But I think people are getting way too angry over this All-Stars game. The extra slot for worlds is definitely huge and maybe an All-Stars game isn't the best way to do it but it's a sound business move on Riot's part and it's by far the most exciting thing that's happened in League since S2 finals. Saying that Riot doesn't care about eSports because of this is taking it a bit too far imo. It would be less of a problem if Riot didn't basically boycott all large scale international tournaments that didn't have a direct control over. The results of this tournament will affect the outcome of the only proper international competition since Riot took over, and they are zeroing in on what will reward them financially at cost of ensuring that the only international tournament is run legitimately. I'm not going to discuss which region got screwed over the most, but surely you can agree that Riot did not do everything in their power to keep this a legitimate competition, yet ultimately raised the stakes with little consideration for the consequences, just to get the numbers. Is this why they took monopoly of large scale international competition? Just to get all the money? It seems so for me. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I'm not going to discuss which region got screwed over the most, but surely you can agree that Riot did not do everything in their power to keep this a legitimate competition, yet ultimately raised the stakes with little consideration for the consequences, just to get the numbers. Is this why they took monopoly of large scale international competition? Just to get all the money? It seems so for me. Knowing Riot philosophy I think it's way more likely that they let people who focused on individual regions decide what would be best for that region. I've talked to Riot devs before at both PAX East and PAX Prime. They're really smart about letting people who know the Korean market or Chinese market or whatever do what they think is best for that region. It's possible that this was just a money grub attempt but more than likely if things work different in SEA or China from KR/NA/EU it's because their SEA/CN team suggested it. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
On April 18 2013 17:23 AsnSensation wrote: I almost came damn, only Ori looks abit underwhelming but the other skins look so badass *_* + Show Spoiler + Please please make it so that Mundo throws the cup instead of a cleaver | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
Basicly my question is what 6th item maximises my q and w damage against ap mids and ad carrys, who dont build armor. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 18 2013 17:57 overt wrote: Knowing Riot philosophy I think it's way more likely that they let people who focused on individual regions decide what would be best for that region. I've talked to Riot devs before at both PAX East and PAX Prime. They're really smart about letting people who know the Korean market or Chinese market or whatever do what they think is best for that region. It's possible that this was just a money grub attempt but more than likely if things work different in SEA or China from KR/NA/EU it's because their SEA/CN team suggested it. For example I've heard that Chinese players are selected based on their LPL MVP points because the fan base for Team WE would nullify the point of having a vote. I'm actually happy that less popular but great players such as Uzi and PDD get to have the chance to compete in such a highly hyped up competition. As for South East Asia it's obvious that the other nations were not cool with Taiwanese players dominating the polls even if they happened to be legitimately the best. It's more of a political decision than any effort to ensure the most deserving players go. I'm not saying Riot did not have their reasons, but this does not mean that the player selection was done fairly. If what you say is true, and each regions were left to organize how the player selections were done, it becomes even more of a joke. It means there were no universal standards at all. I get that each regions have their reasons, but how does this justify the fact that the fate of professional players are being handled unfairly? If Riot does not have the capability to run the only international competition in a legitimate manner, they shouldn't have took monopoly over it. That's what I believe. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
You have to remember this is just a showmatch, and the real competition will be in the S3 finals. I agree that giving an extra spot for the winner is not that fair, but I dont think there is a need to complain about who will get a better team based on the selection process. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On April 18 2013 18:14 Kenpark wrote: Hi guys, I often get mocked for going double BT on Kha as my standard build with the 2nd BT after Bruta, Maramune, BT, Boots, GA/Randuins/Warmogs. Is it really that bad and is LW rly better ? Im talking about slot efficiency here. Basicly my question is what 6th item maximises my q and w damage against ap mids and ad carrys, who dont build armor. typically you'll have aegis, maybe a taric or sona or something as well as well as base armour and runes bringing armour to close to 100 at level 18, not to mention ap carries getting zhonyas or an ad with randuins bringing it closer to 150, and LW also increases your poke a lot, i'd say LW is a lot better because you get it faster as well. Even if you manage to keep BT stacked fully its 3100 gold and 222 more damage on your full combo over LW without the armourpen. You get LW faster don't need to stack it, its far better against tanks, as its going to give you 35-50 armour pen on squishies, scaling with all your base stats ad ratios and muramana. with full items we're talking about 370 ad with redpot bringing your combo to about 2100 physical damage with EQW +12% of missing hp. even without muramana and the 12% and the lowest possible armour value for a level 18 (about 70, -25 for flat armourpen and armourpen runes/masteries and put in the 35% reduction before the flat), 2100 damage with LW does about 1750 damage and 2300 without lw does about 1600 and this is with a more expensive item. Even your auto attacks do about 5 less damage than autos with a full charged BT. And it costs more. And its far inferior against anyone with any armour. Also in reasonable circumstances even an AD or AP with very low base armour (e.g mf 69.) will have at least +13 from seals +10 from aegis and often +6 from hardiness, so finding any level 18 with less than 100 armour that late is a miracle. Yeah get LW | ||
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