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qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 18 2013 03:03 GMT
#2001
If people ask me to gank their lane, I mute them. Works 100% of the time.
Best Teemo World
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 18 2013 03:05 GMT
#2002
play volibear. with a slow, a flip and no skillshots to hit, his early ganks are both strong and easy to execute
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
April 18 2013 03:14 GMT
#2003
On April 18 2013 10:46 Witten wrote:
So I've been playing some LoL (I'm bad, Bronze III or something, second lowest league there is), mainly because my school internet can't handle Dota 2 (but handles LoL fine, curiously). I've noticed that each persons role is typically decided by who types it out the fastest in chat. I like playing all the roles for the most part, so I normally just stay quiet.

So, I end up jungling about 80% of the time. No matter what jungler I choose, my teammates tend to get mad at me for not ganking enough (especially bot lane, but its always warded) when they lose their lane 1v1 or 2v2. I use Jarvan a lot because he's fun and the pros use him (and his ult in the later portions of the game is great in team fights, last game I was Jarvan I went like 3-5-20 and helped win the game by catching their adc), but he's hard to gank with before lvl 6. Back in the day when I played a decent bit I jungled Nunu or Mundo, but they seem to have fallen off.

What are some good junglers I can pick that will allow me to gank earlier and shut my teammates up so they can't always blame me for losing their lane? Shen? Nocturne? I think I own Udyr? Amumu? Alastair?

I don't care that I'm Bronze III or IV (forgot which), I just want to be a better jungler to help my team when I actually do play this game. Thoughts?

[Also, weirdly enough, I play with my friend in Gold II a lot and I hold my own or excel in those games (but I never jungle). Is jungling just not my role?]

There aren't many on par with Jarv for hitting hard and early. Lee Sin is the only other one I can really think of.

Ignore people whining about ganks. As long as you try, they're probably frustrated and are looking for someone to blame.
Hello
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 18 2013 03:21 GMT
#2004
On April 18 2013 11:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 11:25 Sufficiency wrote:
I always ignore any and all request for ganks. I gank when I want to.


I share this belief.

I usually ask my lanes where enemy wards are. If they don't tell me, I'm gonna just keep farming huehuehue.


Right.

I'd love to see a laner pointing out a lane can be ganked. But far too often a laner asks for a gank because he is behind. I am not gonna gank for such lanes, particularly when he is already behind and I probably do not have the red buff anymore - it's high-risk-low-reward. I rather go somewhere else.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 18 2013 03:23 GMT
#2005
Travis just tweeted that Liquid said the NA All stars will be practicing at the Curse house. Glad to hear they are taking it seriously.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 03:24:59
April 18 2013 03:24 GMT
#2006
On April 18 2013 12:21 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 11:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 18 2013 11:25 Sufficiency wrote:
I always ignore any and all request for ganks. I gank when I want to.


I share this belief.

I usually ask my lanes where enemy wards are. If they don't tell me, I'm gonna just keep farming huehuehue.


Right.

I'd love to see a laner pointing out a lane can be ganked. But far too often a laner asks for a gank because he is behind. I am not gonna gank for such lanes, particularly when he is already behind and I probably do not have the red buff anymore - it's high-risk-low-reward. I rather go somewhere else.


Those are the same guys who want to "carry" and so they run at the other laner to do some sick moves yo, almost get killed, flash away with no health, and then call for ganks hoping their no health no flash dude champ will do a sick move and get a kill. Yeah... no.
Sweet.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 18 2013 03:27 GMT
#2007
On April 18 2013 12:23 schmutttt wrote:
Travis just tweeted that Liquid said the NA All stars will be practicing at the Curse house. Glad to hear they are taking it seriously.


Everyone on that team is from one of the four top teams in NA. They all have a pretty big horse in the race for getting an extra slot at worlds.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2013 03:29 GMT
#2008
On April 18 2013 12:27 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 12:23 schmutttt wrote:
Travis just tweeted that Liquid said the NA All stars will be practicing at the Curse house. Glad to hear they are taking it seriously.


Everyone on that team is from one of the four top teams in NA. They all have a pretty big horse in the race for getting an extra slot at worlds.

Only teammates are Dyrus and Xpecial so this will be crucial for developing any real semblance of teamwork.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 18 2013 04:37 GMT
#2009
On April 18 2013 12:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 12:27 overt wrote:
On April 18 2013 12:23 schmutttt wrote:
Travis just tweeted that Liquid said the NA All stars will be practicing at the Curse house. Glad to hear they are taking it seriously.


Everyone on that team is from one of the four top teams in NA. They all have a pretty big horse in the race for getting an extra slot at worlds.

Only teammates are Dyrus and Xpecial so this will be crucial for developing any real semblance of teamwork.

I can only hope it will be as epic as Chicks Dig Elo
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 05:07:22
April 18 2013 04:39 GMT
#2010
they should call themselves 'Chicks Dig LP" imoimo

editing post to prevent doublepost-

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cl4hs/special_azubu_tpa_skins_coming_on_tw_server/

TPA S2Worlds themed skins; this looks cool as fuck,
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
April 18 2013 05:10 GMT
#2011
I don't understand low elo. Our mid disconnects at level 3. Rest of the game their mid is bragging about how good he is at the game...
same thing happened game after.
People in League really need to get their ego in check.

Anyway, I've been playing lots of support recently, and Lux support is so hard. I always end up with like 5 kills because I have a trigger finger with my ult, and then I feel bad for my ADC.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 18 2013 05:18 GMT
#2012
On April 18 2013 13:39 Dusty wrote:
they should call themselves 'Chicks Dig LP" imoimo

editing post to prevent doublepost-

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cl4hs/special_azubu_tpa_skins_coming_on_tw_server/

TPA S2Worlds themed skins; this looks cool as fuck,

Wow....those are amazing.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2013 05:25 GMT
#2013
That is glorious. I don't play Ori or Ez but I hope this comes in a bundle.

TPA TPA TPA!
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 18 2013 05:30 GMT
#2014
Damn. If the Mundo skin looks good or if it's a bundle i'll buy for sure.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 18 2013 05:30 GMT
#2015
I needed a Mundo skin
Administrator@TL_Zess
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 18 2013 05:32 GMT
#2016
The Orianna skin is pretty disappointing imo. But the rest are cool as shit. That Nunu skins looks so good that I might have to start playing him.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 18 2013 05:37 GMT
#2017
On April 18 2013 14:32 overt wrote:
The Orianna skin is pretty disappointing imo. But the rest are cool as shit. That Nunu skins looks so good that I might have to start playing him.


I dunno, Orianna's ball looks pretty cool.

Also, if the skin really is Mundo wielding a s2 championship trophy, I might have to give in and buy RP...
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 18 2013 05:57 GMT
#2018
On April 18 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 13:39 Dusty wrote:
they should call themselves 'Chicks Dig LP" imoimo

editing post to prevent doublepost-

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cl4hs/special_azubu_tpa_skins_coming_on_tw_server/

TPA S2Worlds themed skins; this looks cool as fuck,

Wow....those are amazing.


why is there no nidalee

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 18 2013 06:08 GMT
#2019
Turtle reminds me of a tanned, pre-op (P)Stats.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 18 2013 06:15 GMT
#2020
On April 18 2013 11:08 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 10:46 Witten wrote:
So, I end up jungling about 80% of the time. No matter what jungler I choose, my teammates tend to get mad at me for not ganking enough (especially bot lane, but its always warded) when they lose their lane 1v1 or 2v2. I use Jarvan a lot because he's fun and the pros use him (and his ult in the later portions of the game is great in team fights, last game I was Jarvan I went like 3-5-20 and helped win the game by catching their adc), but he's hard to gank with before lvl 6. Back in the day when I played a decent bit I jungled Nunu or Mundo, but they seem to have fallen off.

I don't care that I'm Bronze III or IV (forgot which), I just want to be a better jungler to help my team when I actually do play this game. Thoughts?

Jarvan actually has very, very strong level 2 ganks because his EQ combo has good range (also allows to bypass river wards if you're blue side top or purple side bottom, by going from the "high ground" near the tribrush to the river bush that's touching the "cliff"—see these pics), good damage, knock-up is a strong cc and Jarvan is an excellent fighter at early levels (good base damage, his passive thrives on the low armour found early on, etc.), so you definitely don't have to wait for level 6.
If you don't, the combo still works just as well later on, you'll just need more damage to get a kill, but burning flashes is very easy once you get a feel for those early ganks.

People will always complain about ganks anyway, even if you hand them fb and a 5-10 cs headstart, they'll blame you if they get overconfident and give 2 kills to ganks in return, because "I only had one gank, he had 2!". An important skill is to learn when it's worth it to gank, and when it's not (in which case you just go elsewhere or stay farming/counterjungling)—as somebody who doesn't gank enough/as much as the average Silver guy, it's obvious that I'm reliant on my lanes not being camped/feeding too hard early on because my higher gold/level won't mean squat if all lanes are behind.

(About pick order, really pick order is pick order, if you're first pick take whatever you want, doesn't matter if last pick said "MID ME NO SUPPORT MID". Maybe people rage harder about it in Bronze though, never been there.)


Not even just level 2 ganks, I think J4's pre-6 ganks always pretty good.

One big tip is to not always open with the EQ combo. If you dont need the gap closer/CC dont use it till you do. Especially low elo lots of players straight up dont ward, so you can just go from behind and run at them and get your W + Red Buff slow on them. Then if they flash or use an escape skill you can just follow them.

Another example of this is Lee Sin, so many players try to open up Lee ganks with his Q, when often you can just run at them or W to a creep, then you can still follow their "escape" with Q-Q.
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