EPTFiora is outshined in split pushing, burst, laning, team fighting, and pretty much everything outside of 1v1 dueling power. And even then there are lots of champions that could win a 1v1 duel against Fiora. I really like her and I want her to be good but she just isn't. Considering she has zero utility, is squishy, and has to build glass cannon to be worth something they should really consider just giving her some unprecedented AD ratios since the only thing she can do is damage people.
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Fiora is outshined in split pushing, burst, laning, team fighting, and pretty much everything outside of 1v1 dueling power. And even then there are lots of champions that could win a 1v1 duel against Fiora. I really like her and I want her to be good but she just isn't. Considering she has zero utility, is squishy, and has to build glass cannon to be worth something they should really consider just giving her some unprecedented AD ratios since the only thing she can do is damage people. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
her gank vulnerability is pretty annoying top | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 06 2013 06:23 ticklishmusic wrote: its k, support had more gold than 3x players on the enemy team combined. lol. That game was so fun for me. People just dive onto me 24/7 while I mow them down with Hymn of Valor. I was laughing the entire game. + Show Spoiler + Pre-30 games at its best. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qBZLdn7.jpg) | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On April 06 2013 07:01 overt wrote: I think the problem with Fiora is that she's this weird mix of an AD caster and a melee carry. Except that melee carries suck and if I really wanted to run one Tryndamere is probably better than her. Meanwhile every AD caster is better as they can burst people down, have a more reliable laning phase/aren't as susceptible to jungle pressure, and all of them have utility and/or poke. Fiora is outshined in split pushing, burst, laning, team fighting, and pretty much everything outside of 1v1 dueling power. And even then there are lots of champions that could win a 1v1 duel against Fiora. I really like her and I want her to be good but she just isn't. Considering she has zero utility, is squishy, and has to build glass cannon to be worth something they should really consider just giving her some unprecedented AD ratios since the only thing she can do is damage people. I kinda agree. Riot just put way too much into her kit, so she as a whole feels weak. Sustain, high/moderate burst and sustain damage, AA block, very high stickiness, and a reset. Her gameplay and kit is a mishmash of Zed, Kha/Kat, and Irelia/Jax, which makes it somewhat awkward to get her to shine without being definitively ahead. If she does, goddamn can she snowball, but eh. Gank vulnerability. On April 06 2013 07:04 Alaric wrote: Irelia's good against Nidalee too, though. ôo You can just Q her and she can't retaliate, but if she turns into Cougar form to pounce away you should still be in range to E her. Since your first item should be Phage, if you get a proc before she's ready you win the trade. Thing is, Fiora can bully/kill Nidalee starting level 2, and do it throughout the lane phase (plus Nidalee can't poke Fiora). Irelia takes awhile (AA poke annoying) to ramp up vs her. She does well, no doubt about it. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On April 06 2013 06:54 Lord Tolkien wrote:You're not going to be able to respond effectively with her W blocking return AAs, and from there she can push you out. I don't see how this is a big deal. Just back at the appropriate time, as long as Jax has his spin up she has no massive spike in damage. If she gets ganked pre-6, she is almost guaranteed to burn her flash, and she's an easy kill after that. The onus is really on her to get the kill first, or she has almost no recourse. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
When they dont have 1232131 armour and rely on range and cc to get away from you and to win by harass suddenly the movement speed boost and double jump and auto hit blocks all seem really good and you can follow it up with a tower dive with r+ignite if they tower hug. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 06 2013 07:06 Sufficiency wrote: lol. That game was so fun for me. People just dive onto me 24/7 while I mow them down with Hymn of Valor. I was laughing the entire game. + Show Spoiler + Pre-30 games at its best. my only thought was "i got to get at least hit 200 cs so i don't look like a complete scrub". | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On April 06 2013 07:28 zer0das wrote: I don't see how this is a big deal. Just back at the appropriate time, as long as Jax has his spin up she has no massive spike in damage. If she gets ganked pre-6, she is almost guaranteed to burn her flash, and she's an easy kill after that. The onus is really on her to get the kill first, or she has almost no recourse. I do agree with that. Again, the matchup is in Jax's favor (just not lopsidedly so as skill matchups go: there are better counters to Fiora, so people telling someone to go Jax when they don't play him often vs. Fiora is rather silly). But anyways, back to NA LCS. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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koreasilver
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On April 06 2013 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: I kinda agree. Riot just put way too much into her kit, so she as a whole feels weak. Sustain, high/moderate burst and sustain damage, AA block, very high stickiness, and a reset. Her gameplay and kit is a mishmash of Zed, Kha/Kat, and Irelia/Jax, which makes it somewhat awkward to get her to shine without being definitively ahead. If she does, goddamn can she snowball, but eh. Gank vulnerability. Thing is, Fiora can bully/kill Nidalee starting level 2, and do it throughout the lane phase (plus Nidalee can't poke Fiora). Irelia takes awhile (AA poke annoying) to ramp up vs her. She does well, no doubt about it. So does my hand after I pull a locodoco. Doesn't make my hand good at top lane. I'm just kidding, I like fiora I just don't think she's that great of a champ in general. Just kind of poor design with all the crap they tried to throw into her kit. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ushio
Canada868 Posts
On April 06 2013 10:27 Sufficiency wrote: Man. Is there a single team out there which every team member puts Flash on F?!?!?!?! I've always had the escape summoner on D and the secondary on F. Whenever I switch them up by accident it just feels wrong and I end up flashing into people instead of igniting them. Seems like Flash on D is more common | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On April 06 2013 10:43 Ushio wrote: I've always had the escape summoner on D and the secondary on F. Whenever I switch them up by accident it just feels wrong and I end up flashing into people instead of igniting them. Seems like Flash on D is more common F is for flash and D is for damage god dammit. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 06 2013 10:43 Ushio wrote: I've always had the escape summoner on D and the secondary on F. Whenever I switch them up by accident it just feels wrong and I end up flashing into people instead of igniting them. Seems like Flash on D is more common Yeah pretty much this. I'll be like jungling and press what usually smite key. Aww yeah, flash smited Red buff level 2 with no enemy pressure... DA PLAYS. Muscle memories OP. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Random Q though, do people smartcast Smite? I do smartcast most point-click spells but I don't do it with summoners. Not sure why i don't for Ignite really but with Smite I figure i can click then hover over as monster health declines. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
D for laning summoner, F for laning Flash. When jungling, D for Flash, F for Smite. It's because I wanted to ingrain my muscle memory with D for controlled situations and F for "oh shi-" situations, like emergency-smiting if I can invaded or stuff like that to avoid steals, and flash when I get jumped out of nowhere during other plays (plus I often play unkillable or wall-jumping junglers, while my mids and AD carries tend to be squishy). I believe I have more control on my situation when I'm jungling so I can plan more easily and shouldn't need to emergency-flash as much as for stuff like lane ganks. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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