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[Patch 3.05.1: Karma Remake] General Discussion - Page 21

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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 10:00:30
March 29 2013 09:57 GMT
#401
So I was in a game and suddenly "attemping to reconnect" despite my inet being fine... it doesn't work so I leave the game and it looks like the game just crashed lol I can't reconnect to the game.Tried to login again but same thing. My friend list is empty too ~_~. EUW fine ? :/

edit: I can join queue again ... weird. Damn I was owning with gangaplanka
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 29 2013 10:00 GMT
#402
On March 29 2013 14:52 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 13:22 Feartheguru wrote:
On March 29 2013 13:19 thenexusp wrote:
On March 29 2013 13:16 Feartheguru wrote:
On March 29 2013 12:41 kainzero wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:53 RagequitBM wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:41 Alzadar wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:19 dottycakes wrote:
That's cause solo queue elo has nothing to do with team queue.


A team with four Diamond Is doing placements should not be matched with a Bronze I team, it's absurd.


Yeah I agree with that. They should use average team soloq elo to determine your starting point in teams I think. I got matched up against a team whose lowest elo was 2000 back in season 2. Needless to say my butt felt raw after that game.

as a silver player who teams with low gold players in arranged 5s, we've stomped teams with plats and diamonds.


I call B.S. a team of random plats will always win vs a team of silvers, does not matter the coordination. If you're silver you have no game sense, 5 people with no game sense is still no game sense.

A team of silvers that tryhard will win against a team of plats that troll each other though.


The skill difference between silver and plat is pretty cataclysmic. A plat person playing in silver can easily have an 80% win rate, now with 5 plats, it really doesn't take any effort.

Some people have come up with some pretty creative trolls.

I knew a guy who had his entire team troll their jungle alistar by having everyone have the exact same inventory as him. Whenever ali recalled or died, everyone recalled at once; they bought the exact same items (ad and support split farm so support can afford them); when alistar used a ward, everyone dropped a ward where they were standing at once. "Alistar you should buy some damage items" "why ali's a tank" "just cause, we won't have any damage if you don't" "what are you talking abou--what the fuck"

5 plats will generally win against 5 silvers but like there are a lot of factors that go in there because I've beaten an old lineup of some pro team with a bunch of TL players (some 3rd string team in s1, I forgot the names and the picture I took of us winning was on my other computer, but I think it was a bunch of people who are now on Korean or NA teams and they were a tentative roster... it mighta been rock solid?). We also gave old Curse a run for their money a few times but they still beat us in the end.

I mean this isn't a good example really because I think 2 or 3 of us were plat but the difference in Elo between us and them was still about the same as silver is to plat currently. Silver is just much more central on the distribution so it's a lot more variance, but it's possible.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
March 29 2013 10:33 GMT
#403
Karma's damage is definitely strong. I got hit for like 1300 AOE by one of her spell. Our entire team just melted. She is also pretty safe with the shield and snare in lane. She will for sure be Fotm for now.
Best Teemo World
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
March 29 2013 10:45 GMT
#404
Holy shit. Karma is batshit insane. I just played her and I was literally just thinking... this is insane... this is so insane... She's going to need to get her damage toned done so much. That, and the snare-stun is almost unavoidable at times, making ganks with her horrendously hard.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
March 29 2013 10:51 GMT
#405
WTF karma doesn't have fans any more? Never buying RP again.

/sarcasm
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
March 29 2013 10:52 GMT
#406
Could this Karma be a April fools sort of thing? (ie she's getting toned down on april first?)
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
March 29 2013 10:55 GMT
#407
What do you max first on the new karma? q or e?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 29 2013 11:18 GMT
#408
On March 29 2013 19:55 Bwaaaa wrote:
What do you max first on the new karma? q or e?


q is the new bread and butter skillshot
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 11:29:27
March 29 2013 11:28 GMT
#409
Well I've tried a bit of Karma. I haven't decided whether RoA or grail is better on her yet. 40% CDR is needed for later fights though, because aside from Q everything is pretty long.

Also mantra E does an absurd amount of damage/shielding once you get some AP going.

I think E mantra is always going to be optimal in teamfights, W is best for dueling, and Q I would really only mantra if I needed extra damage to snipe someone with Q, or if I have lockdown.

mantra'd W though is hilarious once you get a larger amount of AP going. It's literally fiddle drain with triple the damage and no interrupt.

Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 29 2013 11:30 GMT
#410
Feel like nashor's tooth seems really good on karma. Especially with that passive and all that cdr.
liftlift > tsm
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 11:47:22
March 29 2013 11:46 GMT
#411
On March 29 2013 20:28 Amui wrote:
Well I've tried a bit of Karma. I haven't decided whether RoA or grail is better on her yet. 40% CDR is needed for later fights though, because aside from Q everything is pretty long.

Also mantra E does an absurd amount of damage/shielding once you get some AP going.

I think E mantra is always going to be optimal in teamfights, W is best for dueling, and Q I would really only mantra if I needed extra damage to snipe someone with Q, or if I have lockdown.

mantra'd W though is hilarious once you get a larger amount of AP going. It's literally fiddle drain with triple the damage and no interrupt.



Mantra q does ALOT of damage far more than E, obviously its situational

Q: 785 base damage and 1.5 AP if you hit both parts (not that hard, the slow is nuts)

E: 300 base and .6 AP damage . And 390 shield and .8 AP

so it really depends what you want, both have nice AOE
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
March 29 2013 11:49 GMT
#412
Where is my Zac wtf
EG<3
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
March 29 2013 11:53 GMT
#413
My new solo queue philosophy:
"Pick Renekton against Rumble and pick Rumble against Renekton".
wat
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 29 2013 11:53 GMT
#414
On March 29 2013 20:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Feel like nashor's tooth seems really good on karma. Especially with that passive and all that cdr.


For top, you could abuse it so hard just whaling on some poor melee and mantraing the crap out of them
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
March 29 2013 12:02 GMT
#415
wtb: Mantra passive at 5% effectiveness vs minions.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 29 2013 12:50 GMT
#416
On March 29 2013 20:53 EquilasH wrote:
My new solo queue philosophy:
"Pick Renekton against Rumble and pick Rumble against Renekton".

Pick Renekton against everything, I'm pretty sure he's going to be nerfed soon lol
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 29 2013 12:52 GMT
#417
On March 29 2013 20:53 EquilasH wrote:
My new solo queue philosophy:
"Pick Renekton against Rumble and pick Rumble against Renekton".

My old solo queue philosophy:
"Pick top nunu and give no fucks"

My new solo queue philosophy:
"Pick jungle morg and give no fucks"
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 29 2013 13:00 GMT
#418
@smash: *brofist*

Good job letting karma get through QA being op. can't wait to play her.
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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
March 29 2013 13:00 GMT
#419
On March 29 2013 21:50 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 20:53 EquilasH wrote:
My new solo queue philosophy:
"Pick Renekton against Rumble and pick Rumble against Renekton".

Pick Renekton against everything, I'm pretty sure he's going to be nerfed soon lol


The funny thing is, in Diamond 1 I haven't lost the matchup a single time and I've played it at least 3 times from either side - I just don't know what everyone else is doing wrong.
wat
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 29 2013 13:50 GMT
#420
On March 29 2013 22:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
@smash: *brofist*

Good job letting karma get through QA being op. can't wait to play her.


Thank goodness he's finally managed to do something other than get killed in Champ Spotlights.

=D
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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