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[Patch 3.05.1: Karma Remake] General Discussion - Page 23

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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 29 2013 14:57 GMT
#441
On March 29 2013 23:54 Alaric wrote:
It's 525. 575 is the obnoxiousness of Ziggs and Zyra.

Oh whoops, LoL Wiki hadn't updated.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 29 2013 15:11 GMT
#442
So sad that Karma is an AP carry/support instead of a full fledged support.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 29 2013 15:24 GMT
#443
On March 30 2013 00:11 Zhiroo wrote:
So sad that Karma is an AP carry/support instead of a full fledged support.


Really? This is exactly where I wanted her to be.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 29 2013 15:28 GMT
#444
On March 30 2013 00:11 Zhiroo wrote:
So sad that Karma is an AP carry/support instead of a full fledged support.

Slow, root, and shield. Were you hoping for something else while keeping her mantra mechanic?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 29 2013 15:42 GMT
#445
On March 29 2013 13:22 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 13:19 thenexusp wrote:
On March 29 2013 13:16 Feartheguru wrote:
On March 29 2013 12:41 kainzero wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:53 RagequitBM wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:41 Alzadar wrote:
On March 29 2013 11:19 dottycakes wrote:
That's cause solo queue elo has nothing to do with team queue.


A team with four Diamond Is doing placements should not be matched with a Bronze I team, it's absurd.


Yeah I agree with that. They should use average team soloq elo to determine your starting point in teams I think. I got matched up against a team whose lowest elo was 2000 back in season 2. Needless to say my butt felt raw after that game.

as a silver player who teams with low gold players in arranged 5s, we've stomped teams with plats and diamonds.


I call B.S. a team of random plats will always win vs a team of silvers, does not matter the coordination. If you're silver you have no game sense, 5 people with no game sense is still no game sense.

A team of silvers that tryhard will win against a team of plats that troll each other though.


The skill difference between silver and plat is pretty cataclysmic. A plat person playing in silver can easily have an 80% win rate, now with 5 plats, it really doesn't take any effort.

have you played arranged 5s over an extended period of time?

it'll answer all your questions.

you learn game sense, and you learn how much different it is than solo queue.

you learn how mistakes can completely change the flow of the game. a gank that gets turned around can quickly snowball in the other team's favor if they can play it right.

you learn how hard it is to teamfight. the other day i was playing with some TL people and i attempted an initiate that would've worked in arranged 5s, but because there was no coordination or communication we got wiped and milo flamed me, lol. long story short, i was rengar, i saw 5v4, so i just cloaked and jumped onto an overextended graves to force them to fight. team was confused on whether to play offensively or defensively, so our thresh box was dropped early to form a protective line, our jax jumped onto their jax instead of the carry, and ziggs only ulted the front line, a mix of offense and defensive. if jax jumped onto the carry, thresh could box could defensively, but if jax jumped onto the other jax, thresh could box offensively. things like that are the difference between wiping their team and our team wiping.

you learn how to communicate. you learn who needs to pipe in what information, and when. as jungler i can constantly ask how the lanes are going, if it's pushing or going to push, whether wards were used or not. you can timing gank much better; even if a bush is warded, you can get ganks off at certain times if they start it just before you cross the ward. hell, even the information that a jungler might be somewhere based on how a laner is behaving could relieve pressure from other lanes.

you learn how to properly group for objectives. instead of 3v1 tower and walking around wondering who's gonna dive or if you can dive, you can coordinate who will go on first, engage, and tank the tower and finish it off much quickly.

all of this can influence the game. and it makes much more sense to think about these things instead of these random numbers that come out of nowhere, like "80% chance that plat beats silver".
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 15:46:17
March 29 2013 15:44 GMT
#446
Also udyr changes feel really good too. I feel I can actually get in range of enemies to punch em in the face now.

Also when ahead try building swiftness boots, zephyr and trinity be the fastest bearman.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
March 29 2013 16:10 GMT
#447
On March 30 2013 00:28 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 00:11 Zhiroo wrote:
So sad that Karma is an AP carry/support instead of a full fledged support.

Slow, root, and shield. Were you hoping for something else while keeping her mantra mechanic?

Sounds similar to Lux. Just a Mantra instread of wtf laser.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
March 29 2013 16:18 GMT
#448
Holy cow, the new udyr is sick as hell.

MS runes, boots of mobility(homeguard) lich bane and nashors tooth. bolting around map and double procing lichbane + phoenix flame active.

You are fast enough to catch people without bear, which sets up for double proc phoenix. Preloaded phoenix -> phoenix -> bear > phoenix is a huuuuge burst.
Flying Tushin!!
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
March 29 2013 16:18 GMT
#449
On March 29 2013 23:51 zer0das wrote:
She feels strong.

I want to see a Thresh top, Karma support, and Lux mid. Shields, shields everywhere! Or maybe Karma top would be better, since Thresh gets free AP from souls anyways. Could have a Sion jungle. Just need an ADC with a shield now hue.


Urgot
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 29 2013 16:21 GMT
#450
On March 30 2013 01:18 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 23:51 zer0das wrote:
She feels strong.

I want to see a Thresh top, Karma support, and Lux mid. Shields, shields everywhere! Or maybe Karma top would be better, since Thresh gets free AP from souls anyways. Could have a Sion jungle. Just need an ADC with a shield now hue.


Urgot


Who?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 29 2013 16:25 GMT
#451
I just noticed that whoever made the runes stats at the end of the Karma spotlight failed to calculate the correct value for 9x hp/lvl seals

1.08 x 18 = 19.44 (video says 12.96). Plus thats only for one rune.

Damn interns.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 29 2013 16:29 GMT
#452
On March 30 2013 01:25 Dusty wrote:
I just noticed that whoever made the runes stats at the end of the Karma spotlight failed to calculate the correct value for 9x hp/lvl seals

1.08 x 18 = 19.44 (video says 12.96). Plus thats only for one rune.

Damn interns.

I blame Smash.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 29 2013 16:36 GMT
#453
On March 30 2013 00:11 Zhiroo wrote:
So sad that Karma is an AP carry/support instead of a full fledged support.


she never was and never will be a good suppor because she doesn't have a real ultimate she will never surpass lulu or sona or others in support power. Her kit was always based around throughput and scaled well with ap so I don't know why you'd be sad at all. IF you wanted her to be a support you'd need a whole new champion design and why not just make a new champ?

the only reason anyone ever thought she would be a good support is that riot said "oh she's support guyz" when riot made her a suppor tin the sense that morgana and orianna are "supports" but not 0 farm bot lane babysit supports.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 29 2013 16:47 GMT
#454
On March 30 2013 01:29 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:25 Dusty wrote:
I just noticed that whoever made the runes stats at the end of the Karma spotlight failed to calculate the correct value for 9x hp/lvl seals

1.08 x 18 = 19.44 (video says 12.96). Plus thats only for one rune.

Damn interns.

I blame Smash.

Probably still angry he died in yet another spotlight.
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
March 29 2013 17:06 GMT
#455
On March 30 2013 01:29 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:25 Dusty wrote:
I just noticed that whoever made the runes stats at the end of the Karma spotlight failed to calculate the correct value for 9x hp/lvl seals

1.08 x 18 = 19.44 (video says 12.96). Plus thats only for one rune.

Damn interns.

I blame Smash.


Maybe we will get 12 runeslots or 1.44 hp/lvl runes soon !
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#456
Ama request: Smash. How is it working at Riot? Free soda? Do you get time to play on certain days? Nap rooms? OMG and what's your daily work? Do you have to play Phreak a lot so he can kill you and get footage for spotlights?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 29 2013 17:09 GMT
#457
On March 30 2013 02:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
Ama request: Smash. How is it working at Riot? Free soda? Do you get time to play on certain days? Nap rooms? OMG and what's your daily work? Do you have to play Phreak a lot so he can kill you and get footage for spotlights?


Well, he lives with phreak/janook, so I'm sure smash gets beat down on a regular basis ;P
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Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
March 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#458
Is red pot ward + 4 hp pots really a standard top opening now, or am I just seeing it because every other person on the chinese server is trying some cheesey all-in?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 29 2013 17:12 GMT
#459
On March 30 2013 02:10 Vanka wrote:
Is red pot ward + 4 hp pots really a standard top opening now, or am I just seeing it because every other person on the chinese server is trying some cheesey all-in?

It's my goto if I feel I have a matchup advantage.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 29 2013 17:12 GMT
#460
On March 30 2013 02:10 Vanka wrote:
Is red pot ward + 4 hp pots really a standard top opening now, or am I just seeing it because every other person on the chinese server is trying some cheesey all-in?


Pretty standard. I see it in like 35% of my games, otherwise they go cloth 5 or 2ward9pot or faire,ward,3hp3mp.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
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