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On March 09 2013 17:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think diving is the single most important skill for a 5s team, it is what separates good teams from bad ones in the pro scene. Diving includes looking for dives, executing dives, preparing for them, etc.
Nah, good teams don't fight, they just split push all day; to victory.
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On March 09 2013 17:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think diving is the single most important skill for a 5s team, it is what separates good teams from bad ones in the pro scene. Diving includes looking for dives, executing dives, preparing for them, etc. Nah, good teams don't fight, they just split push all day; to victory.
You're only a good pro team if you split push last second with some type of teleport to win. Otherwise, blame what side you're on.
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On March 09 2013 17:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think diving is the single most important skill for a 5s team, it is what separates good teams from bad ones in the pro scene. Diving includes looking for dives, executing dives, preparing for them, etc. Nah, good teams don't fight, they just split push all day; to victory.
There was an interview with someone from Dignitas saying they threw a lot of their games because they didn't know how to end them so they've just turned to split pushing .
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split pushing to end and diving are two completely different things
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On March 09 2013 18:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:
split pushing to end and diving are two completely different things
you can avoid having to dive into tower if you splitpush.
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im talking about diving in lane phase, and diving when pushing and split pushing are not exclusive, you can dive without 5.
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On March 09 2013 18:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:
im talking about diving in lane phase, and diving when pushing and split pushing are not exclusive, you can dive without 5.
Name of my next band right there.
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On March 09 2013 17:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think diving is the single most important skill for a 5s team, it is what separates good teams from bad ones in the pro scene. Diving includes looking for dives, executing dives, preparing for them, etc.
Considering that well executed dives are essentially the peak of the game when it comes to understanding damage potentials of each side of the fight(and tower), it makes sense that it's one of the separators of high end teams. Or luck. But if you don't want your dives to be lucky you need to know everything that can happen and how much can be done vs needs to be done, by every party involved. It's also why dives that look amazingly executed can be so quickly destroyed by one unknown being introduced, which goes into how the top teams also have amazing instincts/understanding of movement across the map.
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GG guys, 2064 max concurrent viewers.
<3 TL; thanks for sticking up for us in twitch chat when they were ripping us up for being bad. 
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The feeling of winning a game after losing 8 straight is just absolute relief.
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On March 09 2013 19:03 WaveofShadow wrote:GG guys, 2064 max concurrent viewers. <3 TL; thanks for sticking up for us in twitch chat when they were ripping us up for being bad.
Anytime dude. Thank you (and navi) for casting. Was fun
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On March 09 2013 18:16 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:54 wei2coolman wrote:On March 09 2013 17:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think diving is the single most important skill for a 5s team, it is what separates good teams from bad ones in the pro scene. Diving includes looking for dives, executing dives, preparing for them, etc. Nah, good teams don't fight, they just split push all day; to victory. There was an interview with someone from Dignitas saying they threw a lot of their games because they didn't know how to end them so they've just turned to split pushing .
They were talking with scarra in one of the LCS interviews and he said that. Except instead of "so we split pushed" he said "so we just don't end the laning phase". The wins in question has all three of digs lanes being pushed by their respective owners with the jungler invading heavily
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Man this League system is so weird..
On my smurf account I was first pick when I was gold 5 and all other 9 players were plat (I was also gaining around 45 LP for a win at this time though) and on my main account I keep getting Diamond 1's and 2's below me in picks when I'm diamond 3. Then today I have a diamond 5 ahead of me in picks and 2 diamond 1's below me...
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On March 09 2013 20:43 EquilasH wrote:
Man this League system is so weird..
On my smurf account I was first pick when I was gold 5 and all other 9 players were plat (I was also gaining around 45 LP for a win at this time though) and on my main account I keep getting Diamond 1's and 2's below me in picks when I'm diamond 3. Then today I have a diamond 5 ahead of me in picks and 2 diamond 1's below me...
that is because your LP and league are only cosmetic. the whole system still uses your elo as your mmr. LP and leagues will allways lagg behind your elo in some way. the diamond 5 player you mention has clearly higher elo than the rest of the team and will probably be in diamond 1 very soon for example
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I know how it works but I just think it's horribly stupid.
Also the Diamond 5 told me he was stuck there cuz he had 2400 Elo before League system and every time he got promotion series (which was often cuz he was winning a lot of LP) he just lost them.
Edit: The problem is that he needs to win 3 promotion series before he can get Diamond 1 (from plat 5 - he obviously won 1 promotion already) and if he's unlucky that can possibly be a LOT of games.
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On March 09 2013 21:02 EquilasH wrote:
I know how it works but I just think it's horribly stupid.
Also the Diamond 5 told me he was stuck there cuz he had 2400 Elo before League system and every time he got promotion series (which was often cuz he was winning a lot of LP) he just lost them.
Edit: The problem is that he needs to win 3 promotion series before he can get Diamond 1 (from plat 5 - he obviously won 1 promotion already) and if he's unlucky that can possibly be a LOT of games.
If his MMR/Elo is really that different from his division then the first time he wins a promotion series he'll probably jump a division. I don't think he can jump straight to diamond 1 but still he's probably only 2 promotion series away.
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On March 09 2013 16:21 Sermokala wrote:
I heard phantomlord carried him to the diamond elo a while ago. He might not actualy be diamond level and hes just finding that out now.
No. He got to diamond by playing Draven. That's different than getting carried by <x>. He's legit diamond on Draven, almost everyone else though..;;
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On March 09 2013 22:45 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 21:02 EquilasH wrote:
I know how it works but I just think it's horribly stupid.
Also the Diamond 5 told me he was stuck there cuz he had 2400 Elo before League system and every time he got promotion series (which was often cuz he was winning a lot of LP) he just lost them.
Edit: The problem is that he needs to win 3 promotion series before he can get Diamond 1 (from plat 5 - he obviously won 1 promotion already) and if he's unlucky that can possibly be a LOT of games. If his MMR/Elo is really that different from his division then the first time he wins a promotion series he'll probably jump a division. I don't think he can jump straight to diamond 1 but still he's probably only 2 promotion series away.
Did you read what I said? I said to get to Diamond 1 from plat 1 you need to win 3 promotions which can be a lot of games if your MMR is high and you're kinda unlucky with what games you win and what games you don't.
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On March 09 2013 18:27 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 18:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:
split pushing to end and diving are two completely different things you can avoid having to dive into tower if you splitpush.
Splitpushing properly also requires a solid understanding of when and how the enemy team can dive you 5v4.
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A while back somebody in a GD thread said if you only play weekday mornings you will have in general much better experiences.
I was a little skeptical, but then I tried it for a few weeks, and I have to say it's totally true.
The number of assholes you play with on like a Wednesday morning compared to a Friday night or a Saturday morning is just night and day.
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