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On March 10 2013 04:58 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 04:36 Sufficiency wrote:
IMO Lux is Riot's one of the best designed champions (kudos to shurelia), who had enduring popularity despite being low-mid tier in power for a very long period of time. I would say she's been strong for a while though, it's mostly about perception. Her last set of buffs was back in July (Increased base mana regen, lower mana cost on light binding and ult). And unlike some champs, the Season 3 changes weren't the reason she got stronger (not having to start boots helped her laning for sure, but it didn't have a huge impact on her damage or anything). You could have gotten the same absurd 24 CD long range wave clear nuke in Season 2 that makes her a pain to deal with now. I would say she was low-mid tier in popularity, but not power (in the last 8 months anyway)
I still think Lux is pretty weak at my Elo due to high cooldowns. I can't hit her binding combo very often because I'm not used to the smartcasting needed and it'd take practice to get there. But she's a high skill cap champion with potential.
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Lux is strong, but there are a couple champions that can make her life a living hell in game.
If you really want to just win vs a Lux, go Kassadin/Nocturne combo, and either force her to build tanky and 0 ap or 1 shot her every team fight from a stupid range away.
I've gotten to the point where if I pick mid Lux, I've either banned Kass, know what mid they have, or am willing to go support if Kass is picked, b/c from 6 on the matchup is so hilariously one sided until the end of the game.
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Nocturne is a pretty good anti Lux.
I'm having trouble with Kayle too. Pushes so harrrrrrrrd.
Never had issues with Kassadin.
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On March 10 2013 04:10 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 03:42 Bladeorade wrote:
How does he not do all that much damage exactly? All you did was state something...
Q: 120+100% AD 3 second cooldown at max CDR that can crit and applies his passive slow and damage...
W: 360 Health heal that doubles as QSS... on an 11 second cooldown with 40% cdr
E: Passive of 16 dmg and 7% MS, active of 40dmg and 20% ms... half of which is given to your team
R: Huge AoE slow of doom.
His damage is high enough and he doesn't die. His 7 second steroid has only 5 seconds of downtime and is fairly significant for a teamwide buff.
Combined with the current popular junglers like J4 and Vi they wreck face when diving together.
Not to mention he also plays well in a low economy setting. I think he would do well at a high level. Because you can't build damage on him because then he dies instantly and his AD kit is super weak in comparison to actual AD scaling champions or ranged carries if you plan on spamming Q(which costs a billion mana making harrassing with it very tough). This means you need to build tanky on him and then he has no CC and no gapcloser and a weak aura and just overall doesn't do much. He also loses like every 1v1 commitment in the toplane and doesn't have the mana to exchange harrass so you need to play very passively, perhaps maxing W though it still might not be enough and you will lose to any 1v1 commitment(which they will do after you use W to heal). I don't really get how you can say his Q is somehow a lot of damage. Just compare it to like, Pantheon spear and be amazed. That skill even has a lower cooldown and mana cost. His ult is basically a global MF E. The aura's basically the main point of picking him I guess, but Taric has a far better aura, has AoE minus armor, and also has far stronger laning while dealing more damage.
Like do you even read what other people have written before typing? Perhaps you missed my 1st post on gangplank 2 posts above the one you quoted. You just say a bunch of stuff thats not relevant to anything I said.
You can build damage on him, just not pure damage ala every single bruiser in the game. Your second sentence is not even worth responding to, I covered Q usage in my previous post and the first part is something you learn when your leveling 1-30.
Yes you need to build tanky on him, just lik eevery bruiser. He has no hard CC but he has a strong slow and a strong AoE slow. He doesn't need a gap closer as he is very fast. Your comment about his aura is baseless and out of your ass.
He does not lose every 1v1 commitment top lane and he has mana to exchange if you know how to play this game? I mean what the fuck are you even saying. I am getting more irritated reading this as I go. Do you think I have no idea how to play League? Manage your mana and as I stated in my 1st post play passively. Top lane in general right now has to be played passively.
Your just saying random shit about his W and trading for no reason in your next sentence.
You continue to compare him to Taric. I just don't even. Why?
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Kassadin is actually not hard to deal with as Lux. Katarina, Ahri, Khazix, J4, and to a lesser extent TF are harder to deal with.
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yea you need a champion thats hit hard fast and often or can roam. her shield is too strong at level 1 which i think is her only problem. she can shrug off kass harass like its nothing with just 1 point in shield kinda dumb
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I don't have much experience with lux, but if you really want to counter her, Yorick does an amazing job.
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On March 10 2013 05:56 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 04:10 Shikyo wrote:On March 10 2013 03:42 Bladeorade wrote:
How does he not do all that much damage exactly? All you did was state something...
Q: 120+100% AD 3 second cooldown at max CDR that can crit and applies his passive slow and damage...
W: 360 Health heal that doubles as QSS... on an 11 second cooldown with 40% cdr
E: Passive of 16 dmg and 7% MS, active of 40dmg and 20% ms... half of which is given to your team
R: Huge AoE slow of doom.
His damage is high enough and he doesn't die. His 7 second steroid has only 5 seconds of downtime and is fairly significant for a teamwide buff.
Combined with the current popular junglers like J4 and Vi they wreck face when diving together.
Not to mention he also plays well in a low economy setting. I think he would do well at a high level. Because you can't build damage on him because then he dies instantly and his AD kit is super weak in comparison to actual AD scaling champions or ranged carries if you plan on spamming Q(which costs a billion mana making harrassing with it very tough). This means you need to build tanky on him and then he has no CC and no gapcloser and a weak aura and just overall doesn't do much. He also loses like every 1v1 commitment in the toplane and doesn't have the mana to exchange harrass so you need to play very passively, perhaps maxing W though it still might not be enough and you will lose to any 1v1 commitment(which they will do after you use W to heal). I don't really get how you can say his Q is somehow a lot of damage. Just compare it to like, Pantheon spear and be amazed. That skill even has a lower cooldown and mana cost. His ult is basically a global MF E. The aura's basically the main point of picking him I guess, but Taric has a far better aura, has AoE minus armor, and also has far stronger laning while dealing more damage. Like do you even read what other people have written before typing? Perhaps you missed my 1st post on gangplank 2 posts above the one you quoted. You just say a bunch of stuff thats not relevant to anything I said. You can build damage on him, just not pure damage ala every single bruiser in the game. Your second sentence is not even worth responding to, I covered Q usage in my previous post and the first part is something you learn when your leveling 1-30. Yes you need to build tanky on him, just lik eevery bruiser. He has no hard CC but he has a strong slow and a strong AoE slow. He doesn't need a gap closer as he is very fast. Your comment about his aura is baseless and out of your ass. He does not lose every 1v1 commitment top lane and he has mana to exchange if you know how to play this game? I mean what the fuck are you even saying. I am getting more irritated reading this as I go. Do you think I have no idea how to play League? Manage your mana and as I stated in my 1st post play passively. Top lane in general right now has to be played passively. Your just saying random shit about his W and trading for no reason in your next sentence. You continue to compare him to Taric. I just don't even. Why?
I'm supposed to refute that post instead of talking about the champion in general? The post I responded to was just giving ability descriptions(which I at least have memorized) and somehow that leads into him being a good champion.
I don't see why you ignored the part about Pantheon and Gangplank Q comparison, it feels quite relevant to me considering your argument for it dealing damage. You also didn't cover Q usage at all from what I can see unless you just meant spamming it on cooldown, which I indeed am aware of.
You said you rush philo into avarice on gp -- This just ends up with him getting stomped. You can sort of play passively if you like but if you go melee a minion you'll get out-traded and if the wave's not at you tower you'll get out-traded as well. It's very rare you get to build a gp5 without getting stomped, especially on a gangplank who's a very weak laner in the first place. I have a lot of difficulty thinking of any common toplaner who doesn't destroy you(or outscale you) if you build like this.
The gank support stuff is mostly... Well, misleading. His gank support is relatively weak. Even if it was average, I don't see it as anything specifically worthy of mention.
I have a difficult time thinking of toplaners who'd actually fail to gain an advantage playing against a Gangplank like that. Who is GP supposed to beat with that build, anyway?
Pantheon: Outharrasses GP quite horribly, Parrrrley gets blocked. Gets zoned, out-csed. After GP uses W to heal due to spear harrass Pantheon can kill with ignite from almost full.
Irelia: Gets to freefarm. Gangplank needs to be aggressive early on but she can deal with it. Deals with GP well after 7 or 9, outscales.
Elise: Harrasses GP to hell and back.
Yorick: Gangplank needs to stay back alot while trying to survive with W. Yorick easily outfarms. Can deal a ton of damage if GP melees a minion after 4.
Fiora: Counters Parrrrley. GP has nothing against her harrass. GP gets zoned very hard.
Malphite: Trying to break his shield with Parrrley makes GP run out of mana quickly. GP can't come in range.
Jarvan: Cleanse does nothing against him. Defeats GP in a 1v1 auto fight that his ulti guarantees. Outharrasses GP really hard.
Taric: Gets stunned from Parrrley range if he tries to farm at a distance. GP can't trade autos profitably. Needs to stay back after cleansing stun until W is back up, letting Taric get ahead in farm. Taric's auras and utility are stronger lategame. After like 3000g of items cannot trade with Taric in the slightest and gets forced out of the lane.
Olaf: GP5 build gets destroyed by Olaf's true damage. If he lands an axe after forcing GP to heal GP dies. Parrrley merely tickles him. GP doesn't have the burst to properly deal with his passive either.
Darius: GP can maybe harrass with Parrrley but then he needs to forfeit farm. If he melees a minion he's going to take a truckload of damage. After 6 it's certain death.
Kha'Zix: Gets outpushed and outfarmed greatly. Can't 1v1. Predicted Q lasthit on a cannon minion for example leads into GP taking a full burst and he cannot even turn around and fight profitably. Kha'Zix also outsustains Gangplank with his better heal.
And so on. GPs ult is okay but in teamfights it's mostly a worse MF E and as a global it's very inconsistent, sometimes failing to finish off a target who's at 100 hp sitting in the ulti for multiple seconds. Maybe he has some uses and his aura is okay but I have an issue with you calling him a safe laner when he gets beat by the great majority of the currently popular toplaners.
I also think your tone was quite rude.
About Lux, I'm not sure if her shield should apply for a second time on return, it's so powerful for trades.
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Holy... I never looked at it closely, but an AoE shield with such a stupide base value. o_o She doesn't even need to double it up early on (and if she doubles it up later it's still likely to absorb almost all of powerful spells, esp. DoTs).
What makes me hate her is how safe she is. Doesn't matter if the guy's bad, as long as he gets blue or a tear/chalice, you aren't gonna do much at he clears from 1400 range and shouldn't be afraid to follow your roaming as the ult's range lets him stay at a safe distance from where you could ambush.
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On March 10 2013 06:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Kassadin is actually not hard to deal with as Lux. Katarina, Ahri, Khazix, J4, and to a lesser extent TF are harder to deal with.
At high elo when both people know what they are doing, Kassadin hardcounters Lux.
I have NEVER lost as Kass mid vs a lux (8ish games this season), and have only won once or twice as Lux vs Kassadin when other lanes snowballed hard.
As Lux, if you use Q, and it misses, he can literally r e q w auto you to 1/2 hp for free, and if you do it again, he will kill you.
Late game he can kill you in 3 or so seconds while you are silenced, in teamfights, and can actually reach you in the backlines.
Kat/ahri are skill matchups, khazix you can farm safely, tf you can tp counter his first ult and snowball, havn't faced a j4 mid.
The most annoying thing about Kass is he can just build roa/mercs and laugh at your damage due to his passive, while murdering you in a couple seconds, while all of those other champions are actually killable.
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On March 10 2013 05:27 Ketara wrote:
Nocturne is a pretty good anti Lux.
I'm having trouble with Kayle too. Pushes so harrrrrrrrd.
Never had issues with Kassadin.
Vs Kayle, just e spam her/the wave, and be more useful later. You cant really ult her unless her ult is down, so it's really hard to kill her, but its a pretty easy farm lane, and Lux is better lategame.
You can try to spam e to poke her out of lane but its pretty hard.
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The key to GP is to get tiamat/hydra, then learning how to last hit all the minions down to a certain amount of health while bunching them, then parlay for instany +50 gold
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i'm not even going to link to it because it's a load of shit but the IPL6 "all-stars match" in SXSW
'we've invited 10 of the world's best players and top streamers to play'
~includes spellsy, hafu, takashix, vman7....
like i get the need for popular but not great players (phantoml0rd, westrice) and even some good, not super popular players (hai) but why players that are NEITHER?
no one on my team got invited or even contacted
:salty:
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On March 10 2013 07:04 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 05:27 Ketara wrote:
Nocturne is a pretty good anti Lux.
I'm having trouble with Kayle too. Pushes so harrrrrrrrd.
Never had issues with Kassadin. Vs Kayle, just e spam her/the wave, and be more useful later. You cant really ult her unless her ult is down, so it's really hard to kill her, but its a pretty easy farm lane, and Lux is better lategame.You can try to spam e to poke her out of lane but its pretty hard.
Huh? Maybe in poke situations. Kayle is probably top 2-3 teamfight mids at the moment.
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On March 10 2013 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not even going to link to it because it's a load of shit but the IPL6 "all-stars match" in SXSW
'we've invited 10 of the world's best players and top streamers to play'
~includes spellsy, hafu, takashix, vman7....
like i get the need for popular but not great players (phantoml0rd, westrice) and even some good, not super popular players (hai) but why players that are NEITHER?
no one on my team got invited or even contacted
:salty:
money
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On March 10 2013 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not even going to link to it because it's a load of shit but the IPL6 "all-stars match" in SXSW
'we've invited 10 of the world's best players and top streamers to play'
~includes spellsy, hafu, takashix, vman7....
like i get the need for popular but not great players (phantoml0rd, westrice) and even some good, not super popular players (hai) but why players that are NEITHER?
no one on my team got invited or even contacted
:salty:
Probably partially due to travel distance, with IPL having no money I doubt they wanted to dish out for a bunch of plane tickets.
Just my opinion, I don't actually know :s
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Crs and TSM will scrim in 40 minutes.
I hope crs players streams it :3
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I don't mind lux on the power scale, I just am tired of seeing her in all my games, lol.
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TSM probably asked them not to stream it.
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On March 10 2013 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not even going to link to it because it's a load of shit but the IPL6 "all-stars match" in SXSW
'we've invited 10 of the world's best players and top streamers to play'
~includes spellsy, hafu, takashix, vman7....
like i get the need for popular but not great players (phantoml0rd, westrice) and even some good, not super popular players (hai) but why players that are NEITHER?
no one on my team got invited or even contacted
:salty:
Leaguepedia says DNG disbandend, what's up with that?
And it's probably got to do with money yes.
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