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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
March 08 2013 00:28 GMT
#1641
On March 08 2013 09:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 08:52 Craton wrote:
I successfully warded that bush the other day and got team-wide applause for "yay no scarra ward"


Honestly that ward isn't that hard from the dragon pit. Scarra fails the ward because he smartcast items.

Can still hold it on smartcasting.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 08 2013 00:38 GMT
#1642
Of if he would just click the ward in his inventory the range icon would show up.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 08 2013 00:47 GMT
#1643
On March 08 2013 09:28 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 09:22 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 08 2013 08:52 Craton wrote:
I successfully warded that bush the other day and got team-wide applause for "yay no scarra ward"


Honestly that ward isn't that hard from the dragon pit. Scarra fails the ward because he smartcast items.

Can still hold it on smartcasting.


You mean with indicators? He does not use smartcast indicators, he just smartcast everything - which is why he fails at wards.

I am not convinced at all that using smartcast without indicators will make you play better. In fact, from what I have seen, most pro players either do not use smartcast without indicators beside certain edge cases such as Ryze and Cassiopeia.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 08 2013 00:54 GMT
#1644
On March 08 2013 09:47 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 09:28 Gahlo wrote:
On March 08 2013 09:22 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 08 2013 08:52 Craton wrote:
I successfully warded that bush the other day and got team-wide applause for "yay no scarra ward"


Honestly that ward isn't that hard from the dragon pit. Scarra fails the ward because he smartcast items.

Can still hold it on smartcasting.


You mean with indicators? He does not use smartcast indicators, he just smartcast everything - which is why he fails at wards.

I am not convinced at all that using smartcast without indicators will make you play better. In fact, from what I have seen, most pro players either do not use smartcast without indicators beside certain edge cases such as Ryze and Cassiopeia.

Personally I find line collision skillshots easier to smartcast but ground targeted moves easier without.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 08 2013 00:56 GMT
#1645
On March 08 2013 09:47 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 09:28 Gahlo wrote:
On March 08 2013 09:22 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 08 2013 08:52 Craton wrote:
I successfully warded that bush the other day and got team-wide applause for "yay no scarra ward"


Honestly that ward isn't that hard from the dragon pit. Scarra fails the ward because he smartcast items.

Can still hold it on smartcasting.


You mean with indicators? He does not use smartcast indicators, he just smartcast everything - which is why he fails at wards.

I am not convinced at all that using smartcast without indicators will make you play better. In fact, from what I have seen, most pro players either do not use smartcast without indicators beside certain edge cases such as Ryze and Cassiopeia.


I'm pretty sure most pros play with smartcasting without range indicators and use another key binding for normal casting when they need the range indicator. Smartcasting with range indicators is significantly worse than without because spells cast when you release the key instead of when you press it.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 08 2013 01:03 GMT
#1646
I think the indicators are always useful. Always.

The only advantage of smartcasting without indicators is that it launches a skill on KEYDOWN instead of KEYUP, which depending on your keyboard and how you press keys might make you cast a spell 10~20ms faster.

However, without using indicators, you need to judge lines, etc. by yourself. You may think you are a pro at this game, but it is well-known that the human eyes can be extremely deceiving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion); to make matters worse, LoL does not have an isometric view, so you also need to factor in depth.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 08 2013 01:06 GMT
#1647
If you can't draw a line from your cursor to your champion then you've got bigger problems than optical illusion depth.

Personally i find that indicators make me play worse in all situations. The extra reaction time is pretty critical. If i need to see the range i will just click the button otherwise i would miss key opportunities that only present themselves for a moment.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 08 2013 01:08 GMT
#1648
On March 08 2013 10:06 Goumindong wrote:
If you can't draw a line from your cursor to your champion then you've got bigger problems than optical illusion depth.

Personally i find that indicators make me play worse in all situations. The extra reaction time is pretty critical. If i need to see the range i will just click the button otherwise i would miss key opportunities that only present themselves for a moment.


Everyone can draw a mental line between two points, but I am saying that some people strongly overestimate their ability to do this.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 01:09:55
March 08 2013 01:09 GMT
#1649
On March 08 2013 10:06 Goumindong wrote:
If you can't draw a line from your cursor to your champion then you've got bigger problems than optical illusion depth.

Personally i find that indicators make me play worse in all situations. The extra reaction time is pretty critical. If i need to see the range i will just click the button otherwise i would miss key opportunities that only present themselves for a moment.


You might be surprised, but a lot of people can't tell the difference between 925 and 950 distance units in a single glance. And that's the difference between hitting a blitz hook or missing it.
Bora Pain minha porra!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 08 2013 01:09 GMT
#1650
I don't like normal cast in any way. I wish there was a way for QWER to be smartcast and Shift+QWER smart with indicators.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 01:16:01
March 08 2013 01:15 GMT
#1651
On March 08 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
I don't like normal cast in any way. I wish there was a way for QWER to be smartcast and Shift+QWER smart with indicators.


You can QWER smartcast and Shift+QWER for dumbcast. Pretty sure shake does this.

I don't like that though. The reason is that Shift + RMB (not sure if this is default, but at least that's how it works for me) is attack-move, CTL+ skill = level up the skill, and ALT is for controlling pets. If there were another functional key I'd do it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 08 2013 01:18 GMT
#1652
Just comes down to personal preference really. Normal casting leaves less room for error, but I just like the smoothness of Smartcasting. I've tried the range indicators before but a couple times I accidentally held the button down for a split second and had the indicator pop up when I needed the spell to cast instantly. Just feels clumsy to me personally.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
March 08 2013 01:21 GMT
#1653
Protip: you can have both regular and smartcast bound for items simultaenously.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 08 2013 01:49 GMT
#1654
On March 08 2013 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
I don't like normal cast in any way. I wish there was a way for QWER to be smartcast and Shift+QWER smart with indicators.


You can QWER smartcast and Shift+QWER for dumbcast. Pretty sure shake does this.

I don't like that though. The reason is that Shift + RMB (not sure if this is default, but at least that's how it works for me) is attack-move, CTL+ skill = level up the skill, and ALT is for controlling pets. If there were another functional key I'd do it.


I personally have skills on 1234(preference), items q-y, and then shift is self, ctrl is dumb, alt is level up skills.

Definitely is good to have ways to both smart and dumb cast stuff. Stuff like anivia wall especially it's important to dumbcast if time isn't of the essence.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 08 2013 01:51 GMT
#1655
I change my smartcast and dumbcast preference for each champ for each game...
liftlift > tsm
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
March 08 2013 01:56 GMT
#1656
On March 08 2013 10:51 wei2coolman wrote:
I change my smartcast and dumbcast preference for each champ for each game...


That's pretty hard to do when invading...
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 08 2013 01:57 GMT
#1657
On March 08 2013 10:56 Pooshlmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 10:51 wei2coolman wrote:
I change my smartcast and dumbcast preference for each champ for each game...


That's pretty hard to do when invading...

Not hard if you're fast. I've gotten use to it.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 08 2013 02:08 GMT
#1658
^ I do that to. The biggest problem so far is that it raises the chance that I get the keybind bug that crashes the game.
I'd probably just leave everything smartcasted (QWER and 2 for those items like DFG) if I wasn't playing Viktor from time to time, and I just can't smartcast his E.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 08 2013 02:14 GMT
#1659
Hmm, the only thing I dumbcast is Ali's W. I know there's a couple others I dumbcast, but I can't really think of them right now.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
March 08 2013 02:35 GMT
#1660
the biggest issue I have with having indicators on is the glitches it causes with sensitive keyboards, when you need perfect and fast execution, the little delay between keydown and key release often means edge cases where someone is on the edge of your range gets away, it also often fucks up really rapid combo casting.
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