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On March 01 2013 20:19 Artok wrote:
trist every game incoming? I will be so happy when there will be a patch where only viable adcs will be those without good escape skills.
That's sort of an overreaction.
Yes, 0.118 increase in aspd at lvl 18 is good and all, but Tristana is still going to have 7 seconds of godmode and then not much afterwards, and her midgame will still be weak. Her godmode aspd goes from like 2.1 to 2.2 at lvl 18.
I think that the buff they chose for her wasn't really properly chosen, her weak midgame won't be affected too much by a slight increase in aspd, and her lategame was already one of the best in the game if not the best, so if you didn't pick her for that role before, I don't see why this change would make you change your mind.
However if Tristana was already considered a good pick then this will of course help. For Ashe I think that the buff is more signicant even if it's a lower increase.
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On March 01 2013 20:31 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:19 Artok wrote:
trist every game incoming? I will be so happy when there will be a patch where only viable adcs will be those without good escape skills. That's sort of an overreaction. Yes, 0.118 increase in aspd at lvl 18 is good and all, but Tristana is still going to have 7 seconds of godmode and then not much afterwards, and her midgame will still be weak. Her godmode aspd goes from like 2.1 to 2.2 at lvl 18. I think that the buff they chose for her wasn't really properly chosen, her weak midgame won't be affected too much by a slight increase in aspd, and her lategame was already one of the best in the game if not the best, so if you didn't pick her for that role before, I don't see why this change would make you change your mind. However if Tristana was already considered a good pick then this will of course help. For Ashe I think that the buff is more signicant even if it's a lower increase.
maybe we will see her in more than once every 100 games, hooray.
And trist was already picked, dunno why her buff is bigger than ashe's.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.
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On March 01 2013 20:16 Alaric wrote:
It's 'k dude, we still like you. Why Warring Kingdoms Xin though? Too much pretty boy, not enough manliness!
get out
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Ok, I tried. 90s CD on cutlass is just FOREVER. Seriously, why make items with longer CDs than ults ? >>
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A man is determined by his deeds! No need for all that gloss.
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On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.
Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.
Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.
Also Locket is OP but so few slots
Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.
Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.
I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.
Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.
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wow garen really did get analized.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.
I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.
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On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.
on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death
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On March 01 2013 21:05 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death
What if he heals your bruiser for 240 every few seconds and stuns on a 6 second cooldown?
On paper AP Tryndamere sounds far worse.
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On March 01 2013 21:10 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:05 AsnSensation wrote:On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death What if he heals your bruiser for 240 every few seconds and stuns on a 6 second cooldown? On paper AP Tryndamere sounds far worse.
which bruiser are you talking about, I thought you guys were discussing top lane taric here^^
he does now yeah, with 0.2 ap ratio without fury.
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On March 01 2013 19:15 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:06 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 19:02 Mogwai wrote:fadsklfjklsadjfkldsajfkasdf, I swear to god I dunked Quinn in lane in every game I played except for the only 2 games they could use for the spotlight. I'm still pissed off that the only 2 videos that showed me doing anything but dying didn't even have the SmashGizmo tag on (Vi Spotlight, PPD PPP Jarman)  . Can you say which ADs have good and which bad matchups vs Quinn? Consensus seems to be that Cait, Ez and Graves destroy her (again, I swear I dunk on that champ all day as Ez, but they happened to pick the 2 games I got camped into oblivion), and that she's good vs. Sivir, Vayne, Trist and Kog. Tbh though, I think she's generally pretty weak in lane and needs to shine midgame to succeed because her lategame is kinda weird at 525 range. Not gonna front, I'm not a big fan of the character, but eh, I'm not a ranged carry guy anyway, so what do I know.
Not sure if you can or allowed to answer, but does Riot take the current "meta" into consideration when releasing champions? Because the way it sounds she is weak against the more popular ad carries while being strong against ad carries which already struggle early game as it is. So wouldn't it make more sense to release a champ that is actually strong against the current picks? Or is the prep time when releasing a champ so long, that you cannot feasibly take this into consideration? Any thoughts on this?
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"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"
excuse me?
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On March 01 2013 21:18 LaNague wrote:
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"
excuse me?
They want people to get even more excited about getting to "late game" with Trist 
Edit: Sry Loco ^^
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LOL killed Irelia under her turret after she went 2-0 vs me after I bought a giants belt
This is so stupid.
Trying again.
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Holy crap! I love the fact they are nerfing garen, it terrorizes top lane in low leagues xD
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'k since Yesterday my client crashed 4 times trying to look at my or a friend's profile... wtf.
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On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.
No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that.
On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.
It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive.
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On March 01 2013 21:27 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:18 LaNague wrote:
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"
excuse me? They want people (Loco) to get even more excited about getting to "late game" with Trist
if you're referring to the trist fapping incident that was LoD not Loco
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