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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 01 2013 11:31 GMT
#101
On March 01 2013 20:19 Artok wrote:
trist every game incoming? I will be so happy when there will be a patch where only viable adcs will be those without good escape skills.

That's sort of an overreaction.

Yes, 0.118 increase in aspd at lvl 18 is good and all, but Tristana is still going to have 7 seconds of godmode and then not much afterwards, and her midgame will still be weak. Her godmode aspd goes from like 2.1 to 2.2 at lvl 18.

I think that the buff they chose for her wasn't really properly chosen, her weak midgame won't be affected too much by a slight increase in aspd, and her lategame was already one of the best in the game if not the best, so if you didn't pick her for that role before, I don't see why this change would make you change your mind.


However if Tristana was already considered a good pick then this will of course help. For Ashe I think that the buff is more signicant even if it's a lower increase.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 11:33:55
March 01 2013 11:33 GMT
#102
On March 01 2013 20:31 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:19 Artok wrote:
trist every game incoming? I will be so happy when there will be a patch where only viable adcs will be those without good escape skills.

That's sort of an overreaction.

Yes, 0.118 increase in aspd at lvl 18 is good and all, but Tristana is still going to have 7 seconds of godmode and then not much afterwards, and her midgame will still be weak. Her godmode aspd goes from like 2.1 to 2.2 at lvl 18.

I think that the buff they chose for her wasn't really properly chosen, her weak midgame won't be affected too much by a slight increase in aspd, and her lategame was already one of the best in the game if not the best, so if you didn't pick her for that role before, I don't see why this change would make you change your mind.


However if Tristana was already considered a good pick then this will of course help. For Ashe I think that the buff is more signicant even if it's a lower increase.


maybe we will see her in more than once every 100 games, hooray.
And trist was already picked, dunno why her buff is bigger than ashe's.
Chun-li since ST
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
March 01 2013 11:33 GMT
#103
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 01 2013 11:39 GMT
#104
On March 01 2013 20:16 Alaric wrote:
It's 'k dude, we still like you. Why Warring Kingdoms Xin though? Too much pretty boy, not enough manliness!



get out
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 01 2013 11:40 GMT
#105
Ok, I tried. 90s CD on cutlass is just FOREVER. Seriously, why make items with longer CDs than ults ? >>
The legend of Darien lives on
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 01 2013 11:41 GMT
#106
A man is determined by his deeds! No need for all that gloss.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 11:48:37
March 01 2013 11:42 GMT
#107
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 01 2013 11:46 GMT
#108
wow garen really did get analized.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
March 01 2013 11:54 GMT
#109
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 01 2013 12:05 GMT
#110
On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.


on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 12:10:29
March 01 2013 12:10 GMT
#111
On March 01 2013 21:05 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.


on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death

What if he heals your bruiser for 240 every few seconds and stuns on a 6 second cooldown?

On paper AP Tryndamere sounds far worse.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 12:11:42
March 01 2013 12:11 GMT
#112
On March 01 2013 21:10 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 21:05 AsnSensation wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.


on paper yes, let's be generous and give Taric 3000 mana, thats still "only" 120 extra magic dmg on auto attacks, in practice a champ like taric is gonna get kited to death

What if he heals your bruiser for 240 every few seconds and stuns on a 6 second cooldown?

On paper AP Tryndamere sounds far worse.


which bruiser are you talking about, I thought you guys were discussing top lane taric here^^

he does now yeah, with 0.2 ap ratio without fury.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 01 2013 12:12 GMT
#113
On March 01 2013 19:15 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 19:06 Shikyo wrote:
On March 01 2013 19:02 Mogwai wrote:
fadsklfjklsadjfkldsajfkasdf, I swear to god I dunked Quinn in lane in every game I played except for the only 2 games they could use for the spotlight. I'm still pissed off that the only 2 videos that showed me doing anything but dying didn't even have the SmashGizmo tag on (Vi Spotlight, PPD PPP Jarman) .

Can you say which ADs have good and which bad matchups vs Quinn?

Consensus seems to be that Cait, Ez and Graves destroy her (again, I swear I dunk on that champ all day as Ez, but they happened to pick the 2 games I got camped into oblivion), and that she's good vs. Sivir, Vayne, Trist and Kog. Tbh though, I think she's generally pretty weak in lane and needs to shine midgame to succeed because her lategame is kinda weird at 525 range. Not gonna front, I'm not a big fan of the character, but eh, I'm not a ranged carry guy anyway, so what do I know.

Not sure if you can or allowed to answer, but does Riot take the current "meta" into consideration when releasing champions? Because the way it sounds she is weak against the more popular ad carries while being strong against ad carries which already struggle early game as it is. So wouldn't it make more sense to release a champ that is actually strong against the current picks? Or is the prep time when releasing a champ so long, that you cannot feasibly take this into consideration? Any thoughts on this?
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 12:24:35
March 01 2013 12:18 GMT
#114
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"


excuse me?
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 13:36:52
March 01 2013 12:27 GMT
#115
On March 01 2013 21:18 LaNague wrote:
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"


excuse me?

They want people to get even more excited about getting to "late game" with Trist

Edit: Sry Loco ^^
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 12:39:09
March 01 2013 12:37 GMT
#116
LOL killed Irelia under her turret after she went 2-0 vs me after I bought a giants belt

This is so stupid.

Trying again.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
March 01 2013 12:39 GMT
#117
Holy crap! I love the fact they are nerfing garen, it terrorizes top lane in low leagues xD
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 01 2013 12:58 GMT
#118
'k since Yesterday my client crashed 4 times trying to look at my or a friend's profile... wtf.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 13:06:26
March 01 2013 12:59 GMT
#119
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that.

On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this.

Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits.

Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point.

Also Locket is OP but so few slots

Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant.

Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor.


I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane.


Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it.


I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong.


It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 01 2013 12:59 GMT
#120
On March 01 2013 21:27 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 21:18 LaNague wrote:
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"


excuse me?

They want people (Loco) to get even more excited about getting to "late game" with Trist


if you're referring to the trist fapping incident that was LoD not Loco
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