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People bitch about AP nidalee. Nerf bruiser nidalee? ~_~ She's now the only transforming champ who doesn't get durability in melee form.
On March 01 2013 21:59 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive.
Doubled against champions, man!
But where is your Muramana?  (nevermind your long cooldowns making it awkward to stack)
Honestly, though, getting 16 damage out of Frozen Heart/20 out of IBG really doesn't seem like much to write home about.
It DOES make Frozen Heart a nice support pickup though (Increase your team armor aura, shatter damage, and auto damage, in addition to all the reasons it's a pretty good support item: CDR, FH aura, tanky)
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Well i killed a 1400 Darius top lane with Taric pre-"nerf" and Taric was able to bully a lot of top laners before. The problem i experienced, and this probably won't change, is the lack of a fast csing tool. You often have to choose whether you want to kill creeps or burst the enemy. I lost a lot of cs in that game.
Now with new scaling, that won't be a problem anymore, you just build frozen heart to get everything you ever wanted, increasing your auto attack damage and cs a lot better. So basically, you are a tanky ap-sion now, with less burst more reliable heal. You win lanes, but you don't really do more
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zephyr manamune cdr boots taric might work
frozen heart+spirt visage + trinity also
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On March 01 2013 22:08 sylverfyre wrote:People bitch about AP nidalee. Nerf bruiser nidalee? ~_~ She's now the only transforming champ who doesn't get durability in melee form. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:59 NpG)Explosive wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that. On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive. Doubled against champions, man!
Oops ! I read it in the patch note this morning and already forgot about it 
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On March 01 2013 22:08 sylverfyre wrote:People bitch about AP nidalee. Nerf bruiser nidalee? ~_~ She's now the only transforming champ who doesn't get durability in melee form. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:59 NpG)Explosive wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that. On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive. Doubled against champions, man! But where is your Muramana? (nevermind your long cooldowns making it awkward to stack) Honestly, though, getting 16 damage out of Frozen Heart/20 out of IBG really doesn't seem like much to write home about. It DOES make Frozen Heart a nice support pickup though (Increase your team armor aura, shatter damage, and auto damage, in addition to all the reasons it's a pretty good support item: CDR, FH aura, tanky)
20 from IBG not good? The item itself is already great for Taric, it's just a bonus. 20 magic damage is also more valuable than 20 attack damage and 20 attack damage is like 800 gold. Even that would bring iceborn gauntlet up to like 4.2k gold value.
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On March 01 2013 21:59 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:27 BlueSpace wrote:On March 01 2013 21:18 LaNague wrote:
"make tristana a bigger lategame threat"
excuse me? They want people (Loco) to get even more excited about getting to "late game" with Trist  if you're referring to the trist fapping incident that was LoD not Loco
My bad D:
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Jax will smash faces with the new BotRK.
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On March 01 2013 22:38 Argoth. wrote:
Jax will smash faces with the new BotRK.
Irelia too! I'm just sad bruiser nid is pretty much not gonna be playable (wanted to go BOTRK on Nid, too) - I'm not sure how you can go catform against anyone top lane when you're so squishy.
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On March 01 2013 21:12 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:15 Mogwai wrote:On March 01 2013 19:06 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 19:02 Mogwai wrote:fadsklfjklsadjfkldsajfkasdf, I swear to god I dunked Quinn in lane in every game I played except for the only 2 games they could use for the spotlight. I'm still pissed off that the only 2 videos that showed me doing anything but dying didn't even have the SmashGizmo tag on (Vi Spotlight, PPD PPP Jarman) . Can you say which ADs have good and which bad matchups vs Quinn? Consensus seems to be that Cait, Ez and Graves destroy her (again, I swear I dunk on that champ all day as Ez, but they happened to pick the 2 games I got camped into oblivion), and that she's good vs. Sivir, Vayne, Trist and Kog. Tbh though, I think she's generally pretty weak in lane and needs to shine midgame to succeed because her lategame is kinda weird at 525 range. Not gonna front, I'm not a big fan of the character, but eh, I'm not a ranged carry guy anyway, so what do I know. Not sure if you can or allowed to answer, but does Riot take the current "meta" into consideration when releasing champions? Because the way it sounds she is weak against the more popular ad carries while being strong against ad carries which already struggle early game as it is. So wouldn't it make more sense to release a champ that is actually strong against the current picks? Or is the prep time when releasing a champ so long, that you cannot feasibly take this into consideration? Any thoughts on this?
Riot hasn't taken the current meta into consideration since Sona because they realized by the time the champ was released the meta had shifted. Development times have only gotten longer since then, Quinn was in development for at least a year IIRC from red posts. So trying to match the meta just doesn't make sense and IMO it's better to just develop a unique but useable champ from a cool concept than try to design specifically on the assumption of a stale meta.
Besides it's pretty obvious that half the point of Quinn is to be very different from other ADCs, Riot even said they knew top lane was an option for her.
On March 01 2013 22:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:08 sylverfyre wrote:People bitch about AP nidalee. Nerf bruiser nidalee? ~_~ She's now the only transforming champ who doesn't get durability in melee form. On March 01 2013 21:59 NpG)Explosive wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. No love for Zephyr? It fits for AS and CDR, plus tenacity and MS makes it easier to stick to your target. Though I guess IBG already helps with that. On March 01 2013 20:54 JonGalt wrote:On March 01 2013 20:42 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
Top lane Taric stacking Armor, Mana, and AS. Someone please try this. Also need some CDR, let's see... At 30% CDR his heal cooldown will be 11.2s, and you probably aren't going to attack 3 times any faster than in 2.2 seconds anyway, so 30% CDR is good for healing yourself for 308 every 3 hits. Something like Iceborn Gauntlet + Frozen Heart + something seems like a good starting point. Also Locket is OP but so few slots Wit's End seems like a good idea for the aspd item, Malady for a more offensive variant. Trinity Force would probably be crazy because you proc it with self heal like a boss and W lowers armor. I'll need to experiment with this when my team forces me to go toplane. Blade of the Ruined King would actually probably be the best aspd item now that I think about it. I'd love to hear how it went for you. Dealing 4% of your max mana to champions as bonus magic damage on every AA seems pretty strong. It's only 2%. It's a nice bonus, but I doubt it's worth itemizing for it. Kind of how you shouldn't buy MS on hecarim because of the passive. Doubled against champions, man! But where is your Muramana? (nevermind your long cooldowns making it awkward to stack) Honestly, though, getting 16 damage out of Frozen Heart/20 out of IBG really doesn't seem like much to write home about. It DOES make Frozen Heart a nice support pickup though (Increase your team armor aura, shatter damage, and auto damage, in addition to all the reasons it's a pretty good support item: CDR, FH aura, tanky) 20 from IBG not good? The item itself is already great for Taric, it's just a bonus. 20 magic damage is also more valuable than 20 attack damage and 20 attack damage is like 800 gold. Even that would bring iceborn gauntlet up to like 4.2k gold value.
To be honest I played it back on the PBE when it was 8% vs champions and while it was very strong it didn't feel overwhelming. It's easy to get stats useful to AD with some AS on them (crit, lifesteal) but you just can't do the same thing with mana. Moreover Taric is just not that great at sticking to things, it's a bit dicey even with IBG. It's tempting to go crazy maxing your mana pool but the crazier builds are definitely noob traps, I think. Much better to grab mana as a secondary stat than a primary one, like IBG, FH, and TF rather than tear items... but that's me I guess.
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It doesn't need to be overwhelming, solo top Taric always was good, he just dealt no damage. Now he does deal some damage, and this fixes his lasthitting issues as well. It's not like Taric top needed a huge buff to be viable, anyway. Of course I'm the only person thinking this.
Also don't underestimate the mana buffs and the fact that his aura is now better for lategame and isn't as good in a dual lane
nvm his aura just got nerfed overall
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Does Taric's new passive work against turrets?
If you can get to... 240 armor, it's back to what it used to be at level 9. (Granted, it used to be INCREDIBLY good.)
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Why did they nerf red buff... Lower jungle presence during laning phase?
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On March 01 2013 23:19 SwizzY wrote:
Why did they nerf red buff... Lower jungle presence during laning phase?
That's not red buff, that's the Spirit of the Elder Lizard item. It was just so much damage for 2k gold.
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On March 01 2013 23:19 SwizzY wrote:
Why did they nerf red buff... Lower jungle presence during laning phase?
its the item not the buff
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is it only me that thinks new botrk will make again gods of top from jax/irelia? this item is ridiculous on these champions .....
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I gotta try dancer bortk omen on adcs this week. Looks really hardcore.
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On March 01 2013 23:20 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:19 SwizzY wrote:
Why did they nerf red buff... Lower jungle presence during laning phase? That's not red buff, that's the Spirit of the Elder Lizard item. It was just so much damage for 2k gold.
It still is. The healing and mana regen are basically free and really useful, whereas the passives and the CDR are just totally awesome.
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On March 01 2013 23:19 sylverfyre wrote:
Does Taric's new passive work against turrets?
If you can get to... 240 armor, it's back to what it used to be at level 9. (Granted, it used to be INCREDIBLY good.)
nope
i think muramana might be too much of a theorycraft build, unless you combine it with zephyr so you have SOME mobility/as. Trinity//IBG is probably better in practice because taric has no movement speed boost or inbuild slow or any real burst damage. He just has really good steriods and a great heal/decent tank steriod
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I dislike the Kayle changes. I really thought she was in a fine spot previously, a bit strong perhaps but definitely able to be beaten, and then they hit her pretty significantly with these nerfs. I was happy she picked up in play again after being forgotten for ages, it was a remake that they really hit the nail on the head.
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