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On March 01 2013 17:14 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On March 01 2013 15:18 JALbert wrote:On March 01 2013 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Garen nerfs totally necessary, cuz he's so broken, lol, sometimes I don't understand Riot. This is exactly what we'd hear if AP Trynd was nerfed one month ago. AP trynd didn't need a nerf either. too much bitching an moaning by 1200's. Nerfing is not an excuse for not learning to counterplay. On March 01 2013 16:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
how on earth is that a taric nerf? looks like a massive fucking buff. It's a massive buff if you had a shit ton of gold on Taric; and could actually afford stuff like frozen heart or other support items like locket. But more often than naught you don't have jack shit on supports in terms of items. Do you really expect teams in Soloq to be co-ordinated enough to counter an AP Tryn killing your nexus? Low elo they won't. And low elo is where most of the player base is. Not only that, he wasn't fun to play against. Most people don't care how strong he is, just the fact that he promotes such boring gameplay.
I agree. He wasn't OP or anything (or at least I don't think he is). He is just annoying to the point of broken.
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On March 01 2013 17:24 Sufficiency wrote:
I feel that with the new Taric you might be able to play him as a bruiser.
I've known solo top bruiser taric was a good build since a year ago~
Going max cdr he gets to heal himself every 3 autoattacks. AP Trynd has nothing on that.
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On March 01 2013 17:22 Capriccioso wrote:
Garen nerfs were needed l0l, he wasn't even sleeper op by having a very high pick rate. Somehow he didn't even seem bad in teamfights despite being able to dominate lane, probably because he was tanky as fuck, tankier than many true tanks. Garen was also nigh ungankable if you stagger points in q and e.
Now, just waiting on Rumble and Singed nerfs.
plz no stahp
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fuckkk all my main heroes except for sona all got nerfed
i thought id be safe with garen but riot sees through all
the problem with solo top taric is you cant get everything
frozen heart spirit visage locket tear are all good
but you probably want a trinity or frozen fist for damage
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Hi, my name is Lord Tolkien and I'm a lurker cum new poster.
Trist buffs are nice (1.5 daggers, or ~600 gold buff), as are Vayne mana buffs (since she's surprisingly mana-intensive if you need to use Tumble, esp. early to last hit at tower).
Also, Ashe buffs, yay (it's a dagger worth of AS, or 400 gold, but every little bit helps). Now if they just buffed her passive from 3 seconds to 2 seconds, which would give her the option of using her passive much like Cait's headshot procs in lane (and help her lane presence past the early lane phase), albeit with trade offs (requires time not autoing and last hitting to charge, enemy knows when you're trying to charge it for burst).
And it would make me feel less like I was giving up lane advantage by helping the jungler with the level 1 crit if I could get one off despite doing so (which is still ridic as ever: the burst with a support like Taric level 1 is hilarious if you try the old, level 10ish side bush camp strat; recently ended up getting two kills on an Ezreal as he came into lane through it, both times to the crit).
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Garen relies on being tanky as fuck because his only way of catching someone is pressing Q and hoping they don't have a slow/jump.
BETTER NERF HIS TANKINESS
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The problem with top taric is you get ganked. You can try mid taric rushing nashors or something vs a melee AD, sounds hilarious, but idk, taric with gold is still just a taric.
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On March 01 2013 17:44 Slayer91 wrote:
fuckkk all my main heroes except for sona all got nerfed
i thought id be safe with garen but riot sees through all
the problem with solo top taric is you cant get everything
frozen heart spirit visage locket tear are all good
but you probably want a trinity or frozen fist for damage
Better pick up Nasus again.
Edit: Also, Malphite didn't get nerfed.
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yup. nasus. fucking scary as hell. nightmare for ad carries
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On March 01 2013 18:00 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 17:44 Slayer91 wrote:
fuckkk all my main heroes except for sona all got nerfed
i thought id be safe with garen but riot sees through all
the problem with solo top taric is you cant get everything
frozen heart spirit visage locket tear are all good
but you probably want a trinity or frozen fist for damage Better pick up Nasus again. Edit: Also, Malphite didn't get nerfed.
malphites my bit on the side
might be right though
xin-taric-udyr-garen-sona-amumu most played
then malphite-riven-nasus-jarvan-leona-mundo-soraka
pretty damn close
im 4-10 on jarvan LOOOL
he doesnt suit my style very well i found out recently
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On March 01 2013 17:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 17:14 RagequitBM wrote:On March 01 2013 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On March 01 2013 15:18 JALbert wrote:On March 01 2013 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Garen nerfs totally necessary, cuz he's so broken, lol, sometimes I don't understand Riot. This is exactly what we'd hear if AP Trynd was nerfed one month ago. AP trynd didn't need a nerf either. too much bitching an moaning by 1200's. Nerfing is not an excuse for not learning to counterplay. On March 01 2013 16:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
how on earth is that a taric nerf? looks like a massive fucking buff. It's a massive buff if you had a shit ton of gold on Taric; and could actually afford stuff like frozen heart or other support items like locket. But more often than naught you don't have jack shit on supports in terms of items. Do you really expect teams in Soloq to be co-ordinated enough to counter an AP Tryn killing your nexus? Low elo they won't. And low elo is where most of the player base is. Not only that, he wasn't fun to play against. Most people don't care how strong he is, just the fact that he promotes such boring gameplay. I agree. He wasn't OP or anything (or at least I don't think he is). He is just annoying to the point of broken.
He wasn't broken in a sense, that he could straight up kill everyone, but the amount of sustain combined with how easily he could escape was quite ridiculous. I'm happy they nerfed it, because it was boring as hell to play against it. Continuous farming in the top lane, no point in trying to trade and waiting for your jungler to show up and cross your fingers, that he somehow misplays and doesn't spin away... ZzzzzzZzzzzZzzzz (Tons of Z's)
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Having never played her, Quinn seems really confusing to me...
Her base stats seem decent. The damage is sort of meh but it's quite unimportant anyway, the most important thing is base attack speed and that one's quite high for her, letting her scale quite well with attack speed. Should make her lategame stronger. The range's really low though and that might be a problem. Her movespeed is above average for AD carries, which is quite helpful.
Harrier seems like just additional damage, though it seems quite significant and if it only has a 3 second cooldown it might even add up. This would suggest that building just damage on her would be more important than aspd. Also, this should make lasthitting somewhat easier but probably quite inconsistent.
Q seems like a meh nuke for damage. The blinding will be really strong in duels, though, and might allow her to even deal with some bruisers somewhat. The AoE seems pretty low but you can probably still farm with it as well, which is quite important.
W seems like a decent passive, but I'm not sure how consistent W is or how long it takes to activate, apart from following up E of course. This also seems to synergize with just getting damage, by the way, as you don't really need more than 40% aspd especially with such a nice base aspd. Still this skill is nothing when compared to truly powerful steroids(cough tristana)
E seems extremely dangerous in teamfights to me. Even though it'll probably be all right for chasing and helping with her 1v1ing along with her Q and passive, it feels like she'll get blown up in teamfights if she tries using it. The damage also feels really low. As it procs her passive, this lets her 1v1 really well.
Overall, disregarding her ultimate for now, it's very 1v1 based, with the main interaction of the skills going E -> hit opponent and Q so that they cannot fight back. Low range and dangerous E and inconsistent passive/W seem to make her significantly worse in fullscale teambattles. The escape mechanism seems like a worse version of Caitlyn's - I wonder if it can jump over walls. She definitely feels like a chaser and highly offensive in nature(no good escape is really troublesome for a 525 range AD. Hopefully it can at least jump over walls so Jarvan doesn't screw her over).
Her ultimate feels a bit strange. It disables her passive so she has less burst, and she'll be melee as well. W aspd bonus is more dmg and consistency, but it being melee makes it again pretty useless for anything but 1v1 chasing, assuming a normal AD build. E for a gapcloser, autoattacks into R to kill, Q to enable her to beat most bruisers in duels if they try to fight back. The ult only dealing damage is a big letdown, and the damage isn't even that great if the opponent isn't at like 10% hp. The ult can probably also be used as an escape, although speedboosts tend to be worse than jumps or blinks overall, depending on the situation.
Definitely looks like a total offensive duelist chaser all over. Building her as a bruiser seems to make sense at least to me at first, but her mres and hp and armor are all shit and she has no hard CC at all so I'd imagine she'll have a difficult time not getting blown up and still dealing respectable damage.
1v1 chaser and anti-AD, possibly a lane dominator as well. Weak teamfighting, huge weakness to mages.
She seems weak to me but probably a viable noobstomper. Makes me sort of think of Jayce. This is all theory and I've tested nothing. However, if she can actually stomp lanes harder than I think, she might be able to snowball relatively consistently, or will require specific counterpicks.
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On March 01 2013 15:02 Ketara wrote:
I'm interested to see some optimal DPS item builds for AD Carries now.
It'd be neat to me if some ADC's like BotRK in place of PD/Shiv, and others like it in place of Bloodthirster.
Enemy health obvs a factor, but would be interesting because some ADC's like attack speed way more than others.
In general you can think of ADCs build paths from their first item.
BT first ADCs will have the best two and three item timing on their dps with BotRK second instead of shiv/PD.
IE first ADCs will have the best four item timing with BotRK fourth instead of BT.
The enemy health breakpoints are sufficiently low for those timings that you can expect the majority of the fight to occur above the values
I am unsure if vayne or Kog can go BotRK first but it seems likely given how they scale
Previously the item was only ever really valuable for its life steal component as it got out damaged by almost any other item for ADCs at any item timing
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Damn Smash got smashed in that Champion Spotlight hehehe
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everyone and their corgi ganked and killed him that spotlight loool
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anyone think with the mana scaling on autos and all the other changes, is top lane taric going to be a thing against physical dmg heavy teams?
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Trying Tristana in a bot game. If I'm not imagining things, lasthitting is significantly smoother even at lvl 5.
By the way guys, don't underestimate Vayne mana buffs. Mana has been a huge issue for me when I've played as her, this buff should definitely make her laning significantly better.
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On March 01 2013 18:46 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
anyone think with the mana scaling on autos and all the other changes, is top lane taric going to be a thing against physical dmg heavy teams?
Depends on if you need an initiator or just tank/peels. Malphite fills much the same role but with a slightly stronger kit for defensive purposes against AD.
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I like those nerfs and buffs ! Unsure about garen tho but w/e I don't play him. But I still feel ryze/muramana needs to be looked into, at least it's way too strong and snowbally in solo queue 
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fadsklfjklsadjfkldsajfkasdf, I swear to god I dunked Quinn in lane in every game I played except for the only 2 games they could use for the spotlight. I'm still pissed off that the only 2 videos that showed me doing anything but dying didn't even have the SmashGizmo tag on (Vi Spotlight, PPD PPP Jarman) .
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