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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 06 2013 01:27 GMT
#1161
On March 06 2013 09:00 agtemd wrote:
I wonder why everyone says it's a bad idea to get botrk on Graves. Yes, he has scaling on his abilities but he has the highest AS steroid besides trist and the fact that he has to get closer to the fight means he'll be able to use the active better too.

Maybe I just like kiting so much :S

Who is saying this? BotRK is efficient on him second instead of PD/Shiv
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 01:29:07
March 06 2013 01:27 GMT
#1162
On March 06 2013 10:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
People still jungle with Mao?
ugh, I haven't liked Mao since 3-4 months ago. For a point click gap closer, Xin does everything better.


They nerfed his clear time too. Have to slap the big wraith/dog even longer than last season. Plus he doesn't do any damage. Even mummy is good on damage right now, because lawl %based health.

Also played a game with a Jax top for my team vs Irelia. He lost lane, and both built bork. Anyone guess who ended up doing more damage late game? Hint, it wasn't Irelia.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 06 2013 01:28 GMT
#1163
On March 06 2013 10:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
People still jungle with Mao?
ugh, I haven't liked Mao since 3-4 months ago. For a point click gap closer, Xin does everything better.

But Maokai's lockdown is instant whereas Xin needs to hit you after as well.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 06 2013 01:30 GMT
#1164
On March 06 2013 10:27 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
People still jungle with Mao?
ugh, I haven't liked Mao since 3-4 months ago. For a point click gap closer, Xin does everything better.


They nerfed his clear time too. Have to slap the big wraith/dog even longer than last season. Plus he doesn't do any damage. Even mummy is good on damage right now, because lawl %based health.

Also played a game with a Jax top for my team vs Irelia. He lost lane, and both built bork. Anyone guess who ended up doing more damage late game? Hint, it wasn't Irelia.


Why didnt Irelia have one as well?
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
March 06 2013 01:30 GMT
#1165
On March 06 2013 10:27 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
People still jungle with Mao?
ugh, I haven't liked Mao since 3-4 months ago. For a point click gap closer, Xin does everything better.


They nerfed his clear time too. Have to slap the big wraith/dog even longer than last season. Plus he doesn't do any damage. Even mummy is good on damage right now, because lawl %based health.


Yeah, sitting there rustling your branches at the wolf & wraith camps is fairly dispiriting; a shame, as I really like the play his ultimate offers for teamfights, but I think even Nautilus does better as a gank-oriented tanky utility jungler at the moment.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 06 2013 01:32 GMT
#1166
i played this one game where i was jungle riven. i finished with the same stats as our support, 1/3/17.

i was told that i played really well that game because i would force fights in bad situations for the other team, even though i would get melted right away in these fights. it's strange because technically riven would be a carry jungler and i kinda did that in a way...
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
March 06 2013 01:33 GMT
#1167
On March 06 2013 10:27 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 09:00 agtemd wrote:
I wonder why everyone says it's a bad idea to get botrk on Graves. Yes, he has scaling on his abilities but he has the highest AS steroid besides trist and the fact that he has to get closer to the fight means he'll be able to use the active better too.

Maybe I just like kiting so much :S

Who is saying this? BotRK is efficient on him second instead of PD/Shiv

Except its not. you're getting a bt first so why would you get a bortk after that? its too much lifesteal and you need to start itemizeing to crit before its too late. Dancer gives you the as to have constant e if you want total efficiency and lw does better if you want to use his abilities better.

Graves and mf particularly don't want bortk even in its old prehotfix form. They're more reliant on ad ratios on their kits.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 06 2013 01:33 GMT
#1168
On March 06 2013 10:30 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:27 Cloud9157 wrote:
On March 06 2013 10:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
People still jungle with Mao?
ugh, I haven't liked Mao since 3-4 months ago. For a point click gap closer, Xin does everything better.


They nerfed his clear time too. Have to slap the big wraith/dog even longer than last season. Plus he doesn't do any damage. Even mummy is good on damage right now, because lawl %based health.

Also played a game with a Jax top for my team vs Irelia. He lost lane, and both built bork. Anyone guess who ended up doing more damage late game? Hint, it wasn't Irelia.


Why didnt Irelia have one as well?


She did.

He lost lane, and both built bork.


Not very descriptive in fairness, but it was there.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 06 2013 01:34 GMT
#1169
For Junglers, I've been having a lot of success with Nasus lately. I almost feel silly that I didn't try this until I saw Diamond do it. @_@

My current rotations consists of: Xin, Noc, Mundo, Shen, Amumu, Nasus (Fiddle). I haven't found a reason to practice J4. Vi and I don't fit. zz
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 06 2013 01:37 GMT
#1170
nasus is ok
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 06 2013 01:40 GMT
#1171
Fiddle jungle gets invaded every game I play him :/

I play J4, Cho and Rammus jungle mostly, picking up Hec now though.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 06 2013 01:41 GMT
#1172
Love jungling Nasus, but he still has the problem of no gap closer. If he gets on a carry, he sticks pretty well, but the challenge is getting there, and depending on the cc from enemy team, you won't.

"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 06 2013 01:42 GMT
#1173
On March 06 2013 10:33 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:27 Goumindong wrote:
On March 06 2013 09:00 agtemd wrote:
I wonder why everyone says it's a bad idea to get botrk on Graves. Yes, he has scaling on his abilities but he has the highest AS steroid besides trist and the fact that he has to get closer to the fight means he'll be able to use the active better too.

Maybe I just like kiting so much :S

Who is saying this? BotRK is efficient on him second instead of PD/Shiv

Except its not. you're getting a bt first so why would you get a bortk after that? its too much lifesteal and you need to start itemizeing to crit before its too late. Dancer gives you the as to have constant e if you want total efficiency and lw does better if you want to use his abilities better.

Graves and mf particularly don't want bortk even in its old prehotfix form. They're more reliant on ad ratios on their kits.


Because BotRK generally does more auto attack damage than dancer if you don't have crit itemized for yet(I.E. you don't have IE) to a break point of around 850 HP(little bit worse now with its nerfs, a little bit better on graves due to his attack speed buff). Because it still has its active. Because the extra AD increases the damage of your burst and ability damage. Because Graves, as a two/three item timing ADC tends to get defenses before he gets crit and itemizing for the full lategame tends to be inefficient for a mid game carry who won't get his IE until his last item (4th item defensive assumed)

BT,BotRK,LW, Defensive Item is the assumed build path, with boots somewhere in there.

That is why you get BotRK second.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 06 2013 01:57 GMT
#1174
Playing mainly Mundo, Vi, Xin jungle. I should use Amumu more, it's just sometimes I pick him in normals, but never got around to really play him regularly (banned too much anyway). Maokai and Nautilus are awful because of the jungle changes and the meta emphasising early aggression and strong duelling junglers (Nautilus would get destroyed by nearly everyone before level 3-4, so when Xin/Jarvan/Vi/Lee are the popular ones... ), Trundle isn't in too good a position either. Jax and Olaf I play much more (and better) top than jungle.

And Jax scales better than Irelia offensively thanks to his passive and ult's passive, and thanks to his ult's active has synergy with sustain and HP, while Irelia instead relies more heavily on AS and is susceptible to being cc'd/kited during Hiten Style (Jax has no "uptime" troubles with his W and ult passive) and has to itemise more defensively than him.
If you have enough HP not to die to her during Hiten Style's duration, she'll have trouble killing you until it's back up. Jax doesn't care, as long as he received the brunt of your burst with his ult on.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 06 2013 02:02 GMT
#1175
On March 06 2013 10:57 Alaric wrote:
Playing mainly Mundo, Vi, Xin jungle. I should use Amumu more, it's just sometimes I pick him in normals, but never got around to really play him regularly (banned too much anyway). Maokai and Nautilus are awful because of the jungle changes and the meta emphasising early aggression and strong duelling junglers (Nautilus would get destroyed by nearly everyone before level 3-4, so when Xin/Jarvan/Vi/Lee are the popular ones... ), Trundle isn't in too good a position either. Jax and Olaf I play much more (and better) top than jungle.

And Jax scales better than Irelia offensively thanks to his passive and ult's passive, and thanks to his ult's active has synergy with sustain and HP, while Irelia instead relies more heavily on AS and is susceptible to being cc'd/kited during Hiten Style (Jax has no "uptime" troubles with his W and ult passive) and has to itemise more defensively than him.
If you have enough HP not to die to her during Hiten Style's duration, she'll have trouble killing you until it's back up. Jax doesn't care, as long as he received the brunt of your burst with his ult on.


Yea, I read the post wrong, and also assumed it was more of a stomp than apparently it was, because I wouldn't find a Jax outdueling/damaging an Irelia lategame noteworthy otherwise.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 06 2013 02:04 GMT
#1176
Jungle Diana, No one expects Moon ganks. Seriously she needs to be a thing again..
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 06 2013 02:06 GMT
#1177
On March 06 2013 11:04 Parnage wrote:
Jungle Diana, No one expects Moon ganks. Seriously she needs to be a thing again..

The problem with this is that you want your junglers to be relatively farm independent (aka just need to hit one critical item timing like a Locket or something) but Diana likes farm cause it'd be a waste not to take advantage of her scaling. You'd probably have to have a good reason to have her in the jungle rather than mid lane and placing someone else in the jungle.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 02:16:12
March 06 2013 02:12 GMT
#1178
On March 06 2013 10:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
For Junglers, I've been having a lot of success with Nasus lately. I almost feel silly that I didn't try this until I saw Diamond do it. @_@

My current rotations consists of: Xin, Noc, Mundo, Shen, Amumu, Nasus (Fiddle). I haven't found a reason to practice J4. Vi and I don't fit. zz

Because dunking fools is fucking awesome.
On March 06 2013 11:06 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 11:04 Parnage wrote:
Jungle Diana, No one expects Moon ganks. Seriously she needs to be a thing again..

The problem with this is that you want your junglers to be relatively farm independent (aka just need to hit one critical item timing like a Locket or something) but Diana likes farm cause it'd be a waste not to take advantage of her scaling. You'd probably have to have a good reason to have her in the jungle rather than mid lane and placing someone else in the jungle.

Someone else calling dibs on Mid seems like as good a reason as any lol. Plus the AP Spirit Stone item pretty cheap in terms of jungle items and gives decent stats to help jungle Diana get fed (because like you said she needs to get fed to be as effective as possible). She's fun regardless :p lol.
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rightstuff
Profile Joined October 2010
United States160 Posts
March 06 2013 02:16 GMT
#1179
Found out that if you dodge a queue during your promotion series it pulls you out and puts you back at 90 points.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 02:17:19
March 06 2013 02:17 GMT
#1180
On March 06 2013 11:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
For Junglers, I've been having a lot of success with Nasus lately. I almost feel silly that I didn't try this until I saw Diamond do it. @_@

My current rotations consists of: Xin, Noc, Mundo, Shen, Amumu, Nasus (Fiddle). I haven't found a reason to practice J4. Vi and I don't fit. zz

Because dunking fools is fucking awesome.

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