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Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 04 2013 21:29 GMT
#861
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.

"AD casters" build the DFG version, and AD carries build the anti-warmogs version


This is a really really good idea imo.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 04 2013 21:34 GMT
#862
On March 05 2013 06:29 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.

"AD casters" build the DFG version, and AD carries build the anti-warmogs version


This is a really really good idea imo.

bilgewater already existed as the "ad caster" version of DFG.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 04 2013 21:36 GMT
#863
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.

I mean it's a pretty significant item change, there was talk about it's potential impact on the game before it was released and of course now that it's been released the ramifications of almost every AA reliant AD champion buying it. There was probably just as much talk about Pre-Season Black Cleaver and League of Warmogs.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
March 04 2013 21:40 GMT
#864
On March 05 2013 06:34 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:29 Serelitz wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.

"AD casters" build the DFG version, and AD carries build the anti-warmogs version


This is a really really good idea imo.

bilgewater already existed as the "ad caster" version of DFG.


Except it did shit for dmg and was only used for a slow. If they buffed Bilgewater to like 10% max hp or something then it would be comparable, not this 100magic dmg, that turns into like 70dmg after resists.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 04 2013 21:41 GMT
#865
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.


Agreed. Wish we could have some more discussion on Quinn. Everyone already knows Bork is OP and will get nerfed soon, I'd be more interested to hear what people have to say about the new champ as I either hear she's trash or is broken.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 04 2013 21:44 GMT
#866
On March 05 2013 06:34 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:29 Serelitz wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.

"AD casters" build the DFG version, and AD carries build the anti-warmogs version


This is a really really good idea imo.

bilgewater already existed as the "ad caster" version of DFG.


It does magic damage, does not scale, and is fairly weak because it's so cheap. Sure it has AD and lifesteal on it but after the gunblade nerfs in S2 it was never built on any AD casters and only made an appearance on Zed when Bork showed up in S3 because Bork was the *real* AD caster DFG.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 04 2013 21:44 GMT
#867
On March 05 2013 06:41 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.


Agreed. Wish we could have some more discussion on Quinn. Everyone already knows Bork is OP and will get nerfed soon, I'd be more interested to hear what people have to say about the new champ as I either hear she's trash or is broken.

All I know is that I'm going to play the shit out of her this week, if for no other reason than to justify getting the skin bundle >.>
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 04 2013 21:45 GMT
#868
On March 05 2013 06:44 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:41 Mondeezy wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.


Agreed. Wish we could have some more discussion on Quinn. Everyone already knows Bork is OP and will get nerfed soon, I'd be more interested to hear what people have to say about the new champ as I either hear she's trash or is broken.

All I know is that I'm going to play the shit out of her this week, if for no other reason than to justify getting the skin bundle >.>

There are worse reasons to spam games with a specific champ.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 04 2013 21:55 GMT
#869
On March 05 2013 06:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:44 Requizen wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:41 Mondeezy wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.


Agreed. Wish we could have some more discussion on Quinn. Everyone already knows Bork is OP and will get nerfed soon, I'd be more interested to hear what people have to say about the new champ as I either hear she's trash or is broken.

All I know is that I'm going to play the shit out of her this week, if for no other reason than to justify getting the skin bundle >.>

There are worse reasons to spam games with a specific champ.


She's the only AD I will play as soon as I figure her out (or someone more qualified does). So let's take care of business people.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#870
Cass still > BotRK when it comes to rushing Nash. Holy balls, I wasn't even there as the (pitiful) AD carry and they killed it in ~20s.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#871
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 04 2013 21:59 GMT
#872
On March 05 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.

But.... my akali.....
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 04 2013 22:06 GMT
#873
On March 05 2013 06:55 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:44 Requizen wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:41 Mondeezy wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 JonGalt wrote:
Does anyone else feel like the past twoish weeks of the GD have been dedicated to about 80% bork talk interspersed with Pokemon, Quinn, and a few random thoughts?

Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me.


Agreed. Wish we could have some more discussion on Quinn. Everyone already knows Bork is OP and will get nerfed soon, I'd be more interested to hear what people have to say about the new champ as I either hear she's trash or is broken.

All I know is that I'm going to play the shit out of her this week, if for no other reason than to justify getting the skin bundle >.>

There are worse reasons to spam games with a specific champ.


She's the only AD I will play as soon as I figure her out (or someone more qualified does). So let's take care of business people.

AD, I don't know. BotRK, assuredly.

Between IE and BT, she can use both. She gets free AS to work with the IE, but her passive, Q, and Ult have good enough AD scaling to make BT seem very attractive.

BotRK seems like the obvious AS item for her, but I don't think she specifically needs an AS item early because you basically have a free 40% as long as you hit the right target. That said, aside from Q she doesn't have much pushing power, so Shiv might not be amiss.

I'll be trying to play her top with BotRK and FMallet as my core. Bruiser style, but her steroids should give her enough damage for mid game, and she has enough mobility to be a nuisance even without being a full on carry.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 04 2013 22:09 GMT
#874
I'm just saying bligewater existed as a parallel for this ad DFG you guys are all talking about. It's viability is a totally different matter.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 22:13:40
March 04 2013 22:12 GMT
#875
On March 05 2013 06:59 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.

But.... my akali.....

But if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in the awkward position of "If she does too much damage, she is also completely unkillable unless CC'd because of how much life she gains while murdering everyone."

On March 05 2013 07:09 Nos- wrote:
I'm just saying bligewater existed as a parallel for this ad DFG you guys are all talking about. It's viability is a totally different matter.

It did 150 damage. A nuke has to do damage before it's worth taking into consideration for anything.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 04 2013 22:19 GMT
#876
On March 05 2013 07:12 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:59 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.

But.... my akali.....

But if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in the awkward position of "If she does too much damage, she is also completely unkillable unless CC'd because of how much life she gains while murdering everyone."

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 07:09 Nos- wrote:
I'm just saying bligewater existed as a parallel for this ad DFG you guys are all talking about. It's viability is a totally different matter.

It did 150 damage. A nuke has to do damage before it's worth taking into consideration for anything.

Yeah, but if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in any position.
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 22:23:00
March 04 2013 22:20 GMT
#877
On March 05 2013 06:24 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 04:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
Skeptical@morellonomicon example. In the first place "value of the base stats" is only a decent benchmark if you calculate from most efficient like bf sword, which I assume you didn't since, second point, you included mana regen (don't do this) which probably means you got it from the wiki which uses the wrong method.

Agree with bly, the proof really is simple math, same thing that's made locket quasi-secretly op for a while now (although not anywhere near to the same degree). It's so simple I don't understand why people at riot apparently aren't looking at this stuff. I know they have the same spreadsheets we do, are they just filling them with extraneous data or something so they stop being useful?


Interpreting the data is important. Doing auto attack only damage calculations and ignoring the situations which actually exist in game make the item look a lot better than it is. Granted I would suggest it is op on bruisers since the extra burst is very valuable in murdering the backline, since ironically bruisers tend to have fewer ad scaling interspersed abilities, and since they aren't worried as much about late game item timing

Also even with BotRK stacking health is still the best option. just get a bit more armor (ie rush randuins which is even more secret op than locket was[locket was never a secret]

Also note that the counter to BotRK is sustain and not more armor. Armor will be shredded with LW and BC. Sustain will likely not be touched. Also poppy

Your post after they inevitably rape this item into an early grave is gonna be money. "Well, Riot, I really think you messed up on this one. It really wasn't that imbalanced, just a little op on bruisers. I wish you wouldn't listen to noob QQ from people with calculators about this. Also randuins is way better than locket, I have intuited this fact, no idea why you nerf it."
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 22:29:06
March 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#878
On March 05 2013 07:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Yeah, but if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in any position.

Realistically, if Gunblade were removed you could rebalance her development relative to the power curve of other items like Triforce that would potentially be less troublesome.

On March 05 2013 06:24 Goumindong wrote:
Also even with BotRK stacking health is still the best option. just get a bit more armor (ie rush randuins which is even more secret op than locket was[locket was never a secret]

If Locket was never a secret, then explain the idiocy behind the fact that it took all the way until IEM Katowice for professional teams to abuse the obviously ridiculous item when it was busted day 1 of S3 preseason.

It absolutely boggles my mind that we didn't see Locket every game of OGN and G-League prior to that point.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 04 2013 22:31 GMT
#879
On March 05 2013 07:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 07:12 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:59 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.

But.... my akali.....

But if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in the awkward position of "If she does too much damage, she is also completely unkillable unless CC'd because of how much life she gains while murdering everyone."

On March 05 2013 07:09 Nos- wrote:
I'm just saying bligewater existed as a parallel for this ad DFG you guys are all talking about. It's viability is a totally different matter.

It did 150 damage. A nuke has to do damage before it's worth taking into consideration for anything.

Yeah, but if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in any position.


If Gunblade were removed everyone would realize that Spectral Wraith exists, is 1400g cheaper, and doesn't have a 2200g deadzone.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 04 2013 22:36 GMT
#880
On March 05 2013 07:31 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 07:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 05 2013 07:12 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:59 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:24 zer0das wrote:
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote:
I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD.


The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then...

It's actually sort of funny that Gunblade is still in the game, because for a long time it epitomized the design "must-buy on the people who get it, useless on those who don't"--something which Riot cited as bad design and used as their reasoning for removing Innervating Locket from the game. By that reasoning, Gunblade really should have just been removed from the game rather than being nerfed to where it is now.

But.... my akali.....

But if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in the awkward position of "If she does too much damage, she is also completely unkillable unless CC'd because of how much life she gains while murdering everyone."

On March 05 2013 07:09 Nos- wrote:
I'm just saying bligewater existed as a parallel for this ad DFG you guys are all talking about. It's viability is a totally different matter.

It did 150 damage. A nuke has to do damage before it's worth taking into consideration for anything.

Yeah, but if gunblade were removed, akali wouldn't be in any position.


If Gunblade were removed everyone would realize that Spectral Wraith exists, is 1400g cheaper, and doesn't have a 2200g deadzone.

Gundblade doesn't really have a dead zone imo, especially on akali. Also, gunblade is more slot efficient over spectral wraith.
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