EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 43
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:19 sylverfyre wrote: It scales multiplicatively with AS and Armor Pen, though. It's basically a variable amount of AD which is based on the health of your enemies. And this goes up as the game goes on. And then there's the ridonkulous active, which is stupid good for kiting and peeling and everything! You make it sound as if Crit doesn't scale with AS and Armor Pen as well.... Crit does this, and multiplies AD by 2 (crit % (including ie passive). You'd have to argue BotRK's passive does an equivalent worth of damage vs the 2x damage amplification. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:27 Ryuu314 wrote: I say we start calling blade of the ruined king "bork" cause it's easier to type and funnier to say. I second this motion. I'm definitely building Bork Quinn later today. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:27 Ryuu314 wrote: I say we start calling blade of the ruined king "bork" cause it's easier to type and funnier to say. agreed that's somehow always the first thing I type in before I correct it I'm just happy IEM isn't played on BORK patch, hopefully riot patches it soon, there's a possibility that it might not be OP but I just heavily dislike it if 8/10 champions get the same item in every game, except for wards! :D | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On March 05 2013 04:36 Keniji wrote: oh god hybrid mpen/arpen runes so expensive zzz worth it? I have the buyers remorse big time for those. Cost me a fortune and I never use them. If I spent the ip on another rune page it would have been like getting 2 rune pages due to getting rid of the hybrid rune I page nearly never use. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:34 AsnSensation wrote: I'm just happy IEM isn't played on BORK patch, hopefully riot patches it soon, there's a possibility that it might not be OP but I just heavily dislike it if 8/10 champions get the same item in every game, except for wards! :D Nerf boots. Oh wait, they already did. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
Chaox and his Zephyr MF disagree with you. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
He said 8/10, not 10/10. There's room for 2 no-boots champs in a game. | ||
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Navi
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:45 Navi wrote: dat bork active is what makes the item so annoying. honestly the passive is quite managable. Here, let's give you a DFG active. And have it heal you! But morello, we thought you hated DFG's active? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 05 2013 05:59 sylverfyre wrote: Here, let's give you a DFG active. And have it heal you! But morello, we thought you hated DFG's active? I think that has to do with who is building both items though. DFG users were AP casters, already chunking people for 20%+ of their life, and then the DFG active was on top of that (especially when it scaled with AP). They want BotRK to be used on sustained damage dealers (mainly AD carries), because they can't really 100-0 someone in 2 seconds like pre-nerf Eve could with DFG. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Edit: Typo. Typed BotRK instead of bork. Silly me. | ||
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Lounge
537 Posts
"AD casters" build the DFG version, and AD carries build the anti-warmogs version | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 05 2013 06:02 TheYango wrote: Its ok we'll wait for next patch when BotRK active gets buffed by 100 range for no reason. Needs Movespeed imo, so it's comparable to PD, and passive is crit-able. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On March 05 2013 06:07 Lounge wrote: I think they could get away with splitting it into two items. One with attack speed and the health/life steal passive on hit, and the other with the active and AD. The second one exists, it is called Gunblade. Still a good item, just no reason to build it now that Botrk exists, unless you're Akali. Even then... | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 05 2013 04:41 UniversalSnip wrote: Skeptical@morellonomicon example. In the first place "value of the base stats" is only a decent benchmark if you calculate from most efficient like bf sword, which I assume you didn't since, second point, you included mana regen (don't do this) which probably means you got it from the wiki which uses the wrong method. Agree with bly, the proof really is simple math, same thing that's made locket quasi-secretly op for a while now (although not anywhere near to the same degree). It's so simple I don't understand why people at riot apparently aren't looking at this stuff. I know they have the same spreadsheets we do, are they just filling them with extraneous data or something so they stop being useful? Interpreting the data is important. Doing auto attack only damage calculations and ignoring the situations which actually exist in game make the item look a lot better than it is. Granted I would suggest it is op on bruisers since the extra burst is very valuable in murdering the backline, since ironically bruisers tend to have fewer ad scaling interspersed abilities, and since they aren't worried as much about late game item timing Also even with BotRK stacking health is still the best option. just get a bit more armor (ie rush randuins which is even more secret op than locket was[locket was never a secret] Also note that the counter to BotRK is sustain and not more armor. Armor will be shredded with LW and BC. Sustain will likely not be touched. Also poppy | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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