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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 04 2013 02:29 GMT
#721
Riot explicitly stated on the PBE forums that they changed BOTRK so that it would be more attractive to ad carries, they wanted it to be a viable alternative. They were worried about bruisers to some extent but evidently they just weren't worried enough. Honestly I wonder if it's even possible to make a 1-2 item timing ranged ADC item without it being as good or better on bruisers.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
March 04 2013 02:33 GMT
#722
just read the patch notes as I've been traveling. all 3 of my favorite champions, garen, hecarim, and xin zhao got nerfed.

I'm sad
:-)
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 04 2013 02:34 GMT
#723
On March 04 2013 11:33 LeeDawg wrote:
just read the patch notes as I've been traveling. all 3 of my favorite champions, garen, hecarim, and xin zhao got nerfed.

I'm sad


Don't worry if theyre truly your favorites you will find a way!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2013 02:34 GMT
#724
On March 04 2013 11:29 phyvo wrote:
Honestly I wonder if it's even possible to make a 1-2 item timing ranged ADC item without it being as good or better on bruisers.

Probably the most defining barrier between AD and bruiser itemization is crit, due to how most bruisers don't have enough interaction with crit in their kits to make it an efficient stat to buy. AD item paired with Crit+AS item (PD) made for a suitably strong 2-item timing in S2, regardless of whether that AD item was BT or IE, but Riot essentially gutted the strength of PD going into S3.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 02:38:46
March 04 2013 02:37 GMT
#725
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 02:39:21
March 04 2013 02:37 GMT
#726
Oh yeah I just noticed that I won't be able to play Olaf top in ranked this patch with all the BotRK rushers, at least not the way I've been able to. Guess it should be Locket/Randuin's first instead of Warmogs, to deal better with those trying to abuse BotRK.
Which means I'll have to try it in normals first to see how smooth it is... at least it'll be way easier than trying out Vi's nerfs. Even when I'm first pick the other guy will ban her.
Guess I should spam Xin/Jarvan jungle just to teach those people who blindly ban something because "it's OP" without giving 2 thoughts about it. >_<

Also had BotRK -> PD -> IE Vayne last game. Dafuk. The combo was so absurd on her, even before she got her IE, so much AS, and the active to get away from Renekton on top of it.
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Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
March 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#727
On March 04 2013 11:09 RagequitBM wrote:
While people say Caitlyn falls off lategame, I've never seen a Cait that isn't doing enough damage.

That said I think there are many ADC that can compete with her in lane, and she's not nearly as strong as she seems. Bot lane 1 - 6 is like 60% the support, and 20% jungler(Unless both decide to camp top instead).

No, my stats are not backed by any mathematics. Just how I feel as an ADC.

But she indeed falls off lategame. In my experience when im playing Cailtyn late game I feel the difference between her and other ADCs, with her I feel more team dependant, while with others like MF or Graves I feel more safe because I can do more damage to those who are diving me.

On March 04 2013 10:56 Dark_Chill wrote:
Okay, so, this is confusing me a lot. I can understand myself that when I play ADC (which is pretty much only Trist), I'll build BotRK, because it lets her get some acceptable damage before she usually would with other items. But there are so many different opinions in the thread concerning it, so can anyone say for sure whether it's worth building on other AD carries?

BotRK is almost a must on every ADC, you just have to build certain items in different order.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 04 2013 03:00 GMT
#728
On March 04 2013 11:33 LeeDawg wrote:
just read the patch notes as I've been traveling. all 3 of my favorite champions, garen, hecarim, and xin zhao got nerfed.

I'm sad

Hec and Xin are still pretty good.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 04 2013 03:04 GMT
#729
On March 04 2013 11:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 11:29 phyvo wrote:
Honestly I wonder if it's even possible to make a 1-2 item timing ranged ADC item without it being as good or better on bruisers.

Probably the most defining barrier between AD and bruiser itemization is crit, due to how most bruisers don't have enough interaction with crit in their kits to make it an efficient stat to buy. AD item paired with Crit+AS item (PD) made for a suitably strong 2-item timing in S2, regardless of whether that AD item was BT or IE, but Riot essentially gutted the strength of PD going into S3.

R.I.P Movespeed

I missed the old s2 days when ADC's went zoom zoom drive by shooting up everyone.
liftlift > tsm
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 04 2013 03:06 GMT
#730
Does using BotRK on an ulted Olaf still grant you the movement speed?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
March 04 2013 03:10 GMT
#731
Just max e on hecarim now after q instead of w and just leave one point in w. Now you do more damage early and gank harder instead of having that akward mid game.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 04 2013 03:16 GMT
#732
Remove the AS on BotRK but let the passive be able to crit (adjust numbers)? Then bruisers (besides Udyr) couldn't get really cost-effective single slot damage item because it has no AS component but ADCs could still use it as an alternative to BT
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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
March 04 2013 03:31 GMT
#733
On March 04 2013 12:16 xes wrote:
Remove the AS on BotRK but let the passive be able to crit (adjust numbers)? Then bruisers (besides Udyr) couldn't get really cost-effective single slot damage item because it has no AS component but ADCs could still use it as an alternative to BT


Udyr builds crit? O.O
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 04 2013 03:38 GMT
#734
On March 04 2013 12:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 11:34 TheYango wrote:
On March 04 2013 11:29 phyvo wrote:
Honestly I wonder if it's even possible to make a 1-2 item timing ranged ADC item without it being as good or better on bruisers.

Probably the most defining barrier between AD and bruiser itemization is crit, due to how most bruisers don't have enough interaction with crit in their kits to make it an efficient stat to buy. AD item paired with Crit+AS item (PD) made for a suitably strong 2-item timing in S2, regardless of whether that AD item was BT or IE, but Riot essentially gutted the strength of PD going into S3.

R.I.P Movespeed

I missed the old s2 days when ADC's went zoom zoom drive by shooting up everyone.

Now that you've reminded me, I do too.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 04 2013 03:46 GMT
#735
On March 04 2013 12:10 Sermokala wrote:
Just max e on hecarim now after q instead of w and just leave one point in w. Now you do more damage early and gank harder instead of having that akward mid game.


Does the minion cap on healing from Hecarims W also means it's capped against jungle monsters? If so, your jungle sustain is gutten from just having 1 point in W during most of the game.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
March 04 2013 04:21 GMT
#736
On March 04 2013 12:46 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 12:10 Sermokala wrote:
Just max e on hecarim now after q instead of w and just leave one point in w. Now you do more damage early and gank harder instead of having that akward mid game.


Does the minion cap on healing from Hecarims W also means it's capped against jungle monsters? If so, your jungle sustain is gutten from just having 1 point in W during most of the game.

Jungle sustain really isn't a problem past the first clear and if it is for you I don't know what to say. You're playing a heavier gank style in the mid game with hecarim and not the farmer hecarim that you used to play.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
March 04 2013 04:28 GMT
#737
If bot lane picks something that's not very killy, is Quinn support viable?
But why?
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
March 04 2013 04:32 GMT
#738
why is EG ex CLGeu so popular?
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
March 04 2013 04:53 GMT
#739
On March 04 2013 13:28 EmeraldSparks wrote:
If bot lane picks something that's not very killy, is Quinn support viable?


Her main purpose is dmg so an obv no.
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Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
March 04 2013 04:58 GMT
#740
in a game with elementz, how the fuck did his elo drop this low XD
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