EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 36
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IMoperator
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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samthesaluki
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:07 Shikyo wrote: Caitlyn doesn't really deal damage, and considering that these days everyone stacks armor and hp, it becomes even more apparent. It also is possible to deal with her reasonably well in the lane. Ehh, all the AD carries going into end game will do crazy --> decent damage late game. A person with a frozen heart + randuin's will be a pain for every AD to take care of. I remember doing some calculations a while back, and Tristana's rapid fire increases her DPS by about 30%, so Cait is doing maybe 75%ish damage of what a Steroided Tristana is doing when taking into account Head shots per 6 shots. | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:26 Tensai176 wrote: huh? Caitlin is one of the strongest ADC's right now... she does plenty of damage with Headshot and is a great choice late game She does a lot of damage, but she lacks her own AS steroid. A lot of Cait's that did massive damage usually had a Nunu on their team. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:19 samthesaluki wrote: ok i had to reinstall league cause it broke but it reset all setting and i cant remmber if i use the music on or not so anyone i was wondering what settings do u guys use uh most of the setting are personal choices in terms of music and sound. As for smart casting I usually decide based on the champion. | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
Also thx for the hint on nasus. He is really smth. Played him a bit in jungle with max e and he really is a great bully in teamfights throughout the game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And Riot's matchmaking is worse than ever since they pulled that "let's use win numbers to even the playfield!" shit. It was already horrendous for the people that had above-average (read 1250+) Elo from the beginning as it reduced the level in their games in general, but I also noticed it puts stacks or partial-premade against full solos even more often. What better way to get your day ruined than to have 3/5 guys planning to camp your ass when your team is just a bunch of pubs thrown together? Their matchmaking queue priorities are messed up. ^ BotRK was not designed for AD carries in the first place. Nor even for bruisers in general. It's just Riot fucking up when it comes to design in general, once again. I don't blame the objectives, but the means? Definitely. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
Never satisfied, are we? | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:57 zodde wrote: People say health stacking is too strong -> riot buffs an item that deals %health damage ->. And then people write posts like this to try and troll. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:57 zodde wrote: People say health stacking is too strong -> riot buffs an item that deals %health damage -> people says that item is too good. Never satisfied, are we? I think it's the fact that it's wayyyy beyond cost efficient. I think they'll increase the price or change a component or two + decrease stat value and it'll be fine. Love the active | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
That said I think there are many ADC that can compete with her in lane, and she's not nearly as strong as she seems. Bot lane 1 - 6 is like 60% the support, and 20% jungler(Unless both decide to camp top instead). No, my stats are not backed by any mathematics. Just how I feel as an ADC. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:52 Alaric wrote: ^ BotRK was not designed for AD carries in the first place. Nor even for bruisers in general. It's just Riot fucking up when it comes to design in general, once again. I don't blame the objectives, but the means? Definitely. It's pretty obvious that Riot wants new BotRK to be an AD carry item. It was basically the re-placement for Bloodrazor which Riot intended to be built by ADCs as well. Whenever they nerf it they may very well make it become Bloodrazor 2.0 though and no one will buy it. You don't make an item that gives ADCs three of the four stats they want and intend for it to not be built by ADCs. Maybe Riot just doesn't know how to make on-hit builds work for ADCs but they intended Bloodrazor to be an ADC item and now with the changes BotRK is almost exactly like Bloodrazor but with life steal (and cheaper, and a crazy active). On March 04 2013 10:56 Dark_Chill wrote: Okay, so, this is confusing me a lot. I can understand myself that when I play ADC (which is pretty much only Trist), I'll build BotRK, because it lets her get some acceptable damage before she usually would with other items. But there are so many different opinions in the thread concerning it, so can anyone say for sure whether it's worth building on other AD carries? Honestly you can build it on any carry. It's really strong right now. There are probably a few carries who would be better off going BT or IE instead but if you go BotRK first it'll still be pretty strong on anyone throughout the midgame (and it doesn't really transition that badly into late game). It just gives so many stats you want and it's crazy cheap right now. People who are calling it a noob trap on certain ADCs are being dumb because the only ADC it'd be 'bad' on is Urgot and he isn't even really an ADC. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:09 RagequitBM wrote: While people say Caitlyn falls off lategame, I've never seen a Cait that isn't doing enough damage. That said I think there are many ADC that can compete with her in lane, and she's not nearly as strong as she seems. Bot lane 1 - 6 is like 60% the support, and 20% jungler(Unless both decide to camp top instead). No, my stats are not backed by any mathematics. Just how I feel as an ADC. I have never heard people saying that cait falls off late game. I've seen a cait not doing enough damage to my graves early game or to anyone getting her 1v1 in mid game. late game shes strong but not trist kog vayne strong. She has some nice lanes and some bad lanes Her lack of as steriod makes it really hard for her to 1v1 people in any capacity. she has a great lane game but it doesn't help her against brusiers or higher damage laners when 2 of her skills are about utility and one is telegraphed from a mile away. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
Also just on Cait I got my ass ridden last night by a team who hated the fact that I picked her. "Cait is trash", "Does no dmg" etc all game. I went ok (apart from derping once) but I was doing exactly how you would expect a carry to do (relevant except for a weak window mid-game). She's got a great kit, no idea why people think she's garbage. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Ezreal gets discussed a lot, but this quite frankly mirrors the IE/PD on Ezreal discussion in S2--where people would raise the argument that IE isn't good on Ezreal because he doesn't use crit enough, which was promptly rebuked as being wrong because Ezreal is still extraordinarily autoattack reliant at all phases of the game, and IE->PD was determined to a situatoinally appropriate build for Ezreal in a game where he needed to be strong at that particular timing (BT and Tri being more common because they fit a particular item timing when Ezreal was strong, not because "crit is bad on Ezreal"). | ||
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