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United States47024 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:23 Goumindong wrote:
Lets be honest here. The argument for ezreal is "why would you care about balanced stats when ezreal doesn't buy any attack speed until the third item... if he buys it at all". How am i supposed to respect an argument for buying 40% attack speed when most strong builds spend ~6000 gold without a single AS item (boots excluded)?
IIRC current Ezreal optimal build path is BT,LW,Triforce or BT,LW,IE. (with BT,LW,ICB sometimes)
Except Ezreal wasn't always BT->LW. That is only the current build in vogue because of the particular strength of items currently. Triforce first was quite frequent S2, BT->Shiv was common at the start of S3, and there have even been games in S2 that called for IE->PD.
It's a matter of the power of the items available, not just a pure matter of "attack speed first item isn't good for Ezreal".
On March 04 2013 07:23 Goumindong wrote: Show nested quote +Caitlyn would go IE into PD, with a vamp sceptor somewhere in between. Now, people are going BotRK into IE into PD which is a hugely effective build. And she still benefits best from IE into PD, rather than BotRK into IE because her two item timing is more what we care about and IE,PD is vastly superior for a safe carry than BotRK/IE. And because the auto attack DPS of BotRK is vastly overstated by assuming that enemies have full hit points when we start hitting them. Its great as a fourth item on her though
I would argue that the current state and speed of the game demands a strong 1st item timing on all AD carries. The speed of the game has moved forward with pushes and teamfighting far earlier than we saw in S2. But this varies greatly based on playstyles by region, level of play, and whether you're talking about solo queue or competitive play.
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On March 04 2013 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
League of BotRK
Putting AS on it means that everyone can build it now l0l pretty much the new Black Cleaver for any bruiser, since with it you can deal respectable damage to other bruisers and can still blow up carries with insane base damages anyways.
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There's also the fact that BotRK+LW+3xDefensive items provides "acceptable" damage lategame. Items that allow strong lategame damage with 1-2 items, which in turn allows flexibility for defensive itemization, are by nature very suitable for melee heroes (ranged heroes by nature are less inclined to take advantage of this flexibility).
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On March 04 2013 06:26 Chrispy wrote:
Gangplank's Q does proc Iceborn gauntlet AOE but the mana return and the extra gold you get for killing is only going to be applied to the original minion you shot IIRC.
Spirit of the Lizard Elder does work with his ult, each cannon ball will proc the true damage.
I've been playing lots of GP as of late. He mostly gets dunked on in lane so you have to max oranges first and just farm it out.
I'm pretty sure gangplank's Q with tiamat gives the parrrrley gold bonus for every minion killed. I would imagine iceborn's aoe damage interacts the same.
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Predicted the downfall from CLG.eu/EG already 3 months ago!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17373150
I think that CLG.eu are really are going to fall off in season 3. They are the team with the most marketing value but i dont think we are gonna see lots of them like we did in season 2, because all lanes are lacking apart from Froggen.
pm me for the lotto numbers for the next 3 months!
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i just had amazing game with 6 item khazix :D
botrk, bt, warmog, ga, muramana and bc. See hero, kill hero~
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On March 04 2013 08:04 ExoFun wrote:Predicted the downfall from CLG.eu/EG already 3 months ago! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17373150Show nested quote +I think that CLG.eu are really are going to fall off in season 3. They are the team with the most marketing value but i dont think we are gonna see lots of them like we did in season 2, because all lanes are lacking apart from Froggen. pm me for the lotto numbers for the next 3 months!
You say this as if Froggen was the only saving grace of the team today. Froggen played just as poorly as anyone else on the team, and they lost as a team.
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I dont know why froggen and krepo arguing on twitter :D They are in same house o.O
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On March 04 2013 07:12 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:07 Alaric wrote:
Granted, his "Quinn can build like a tank and still do a shit ton of dps" is wrong: she has a 3s cd on a big damage steroid, but if she doesn't build AD she still won't do too much outside of her passive.
I agree that its higher-levels scaling is pretty nuts (Diana is too, but people don't realise it because they rarely go for it; Kha, though, has been rightfully nerfed, though it's still stupidly strong once you're high level with his ult). She's got a huge Attack Speed steroid and Riot just introduced a one stop shop for DPS (BotRK). Combined with her passive's high base damage she can do really well building tanky.
How are you building her?
I feel that if I go Tanky I do like no damage, and if I build glass cannon I can't utilize bird form. Maybe like full bruiser after Botrk?
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On March 04 2013 08:17 Mensol wrote:
I dont know why froggen and krepo arguing on twitter :D They are in same house o.O
Prepping for their own reality TV show.
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On March 04 2013 08:17 Mensol wrote:
I dont know why froggen and krepo arguing on twitter :D They are in same house o.O
They're just clearing up Froggen's earlier comment about people not using voicecom. He worded like no-one but him was responding to voicecom which Krepo asked him to clarify.
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Bork is taking over the league. It's not uncommon to see 4 blades on one team and 3 on another. Chaining them on unsuspecting people in teamfights is hilarious.
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I just got 5 lp for winning an hour long game. 5. Fucking. LP.
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On March 04 2013 08:28 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Bork is taking over the league. It's not uncommon to see 4 blades on one team and 3 on another. Chaining them on unsuspecting people in teamfights is hilarious.
Still doesn't beat seeing 15~ black cleavers on each team in the start of S3 :D
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On March 04 2013 08:40 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:28 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Bork is taking over the league. It's not uncommon to see 4 blades on one team and 3 on another. Chaining them on unsuspecting people in teamfights is hilarious. Still doesn't beat seeing 15~ black cleavers on each team in the start of S3 :D
At least with BC Riot had the excuse of "S3, massive amount of changes, something broken slipped through the cracks". Botrk was already strong (if situational) and didn't really need a huge buff.
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does riot have no real testers or are the designers just completely ignoring them cause of huge egos?
Thats my question regarding botrk
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On March 04 2013 08:04 ExoFun wrote:Predicted the downfall from CLG.eu/EG already 3 months ago! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17373150Show nested quote +I think that CLG.eu are really are going to fall off in season 3. They are the team with the most marketing value but i dont think we are gonna see lots of them like we did in season 2, because all lanes are lacking apart from Froggen. pm me for the lotto numbers for the next 3 months!
They went 5-2 before the super week, they had a rough super week but I think they'll bounce back, they won't finish outside of the top 4 anyway 
On March 04 2013 08:42 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:40 zodde wrote:On March 04 2013 08:28 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Bork is taking over the league. It's not uncommon to see 4 blades on one team and 3 on another. Chaining them on unsuspecting people in teamfights is hilarious. Still doesn't beat seeing 15~ black cleavers on each team in the start of S3 :D At least with BC Riot had the excuse of "S3, massive amount of changes, something broken slipped through the cracks". Botrk was already strong (if situational) and didn't really need a huge buff.
A buff was nice in theory, make it more appealing to pick up against health stacking teams as an ADC, just a little too strong/or too cheap depending on how you look at i.
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On March 04 2013 06:26 Chrispy wrote:
Gangplank's Q does proc Iceborn gauntlet AOE but the mana return and the extra gold you get for killing is only going to be applied to the original minion you shot IIRC.
Spirit of the Lizard Elder does work with his ult, each cannon ball will proc the true damage.
I've been playing lots of GP as of late. He mostly gets dunked on in lane so you have to max oranges first and just farm it out.
The mana return and extra gold does apply for multiple minions killed vis-a-vis Q (same with Hydra, Shiv, and other on-hits).
Also, thanks for clearing up Lizard Elder/ult interaction for me.
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irelia is really silly with botrk randuins frosty gloves
edit: <everyone> is really silly with botrk <anything> <anything>
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