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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
March 03 2013 20:10 GMT
#641
Kayle destroys Renekton top if you know what you're doing... Even before BotRK
We see things they'll never see
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 20:13:53
March 03 2013 20:12 GMT
#642
On March 04 2013 05:03 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 01:46 Gahlo wrote:
On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.

think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.

It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.

Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.

Graves' "perma AS boost" needs 2.5 AS and 40% CDR on level 5 E so...

Just go BotRK and Hurricane, procs his E cd reduction 3 times and also applies BotRK on 3 targets. With Black Cleaver you auto twice and QR for a fully armor-reduced ult on 3 people.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 03 2013 20:17 GMT
#643
I feel like if you want to play Nunu, you better be doing it with like Morgana for her spellshield and maybe some other AOE hard CC.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 03 2013 20:17 GMT
#644
Hurricane is way too shit for me to waste money on that thing. Better go BT-BotRK, get more AD and still have a decent AS source, have a huge burst for squishies and solid autoattacking for health-stackers and keep the burst to finish them off. LW as 3rd offensive item.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 03 2013 20:23 GMT
#645
I dont understand how you are getting "lane dominance" with that many items. Laning rarely lasts that long, especially if I am "pushing". When you do that, you either win hard and deny CS, get ganked and lose, get a sick countergank and dominate hard, or take a tower.
Freeeeeeedom
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 20:39:37
March 03 2013 20:29 GMT
#646
On March 04 2013 05:02 DarKFoRcE wrote:
what toplaners benefit the most from the buff to the blade of the ruined king? now with the %health damage, im not so sure anymore whether renekton is as strong anymore.

Jax and nunu tops.

Shikyo Hurricane isn't a real item around these parts. It would be kind if you wouldn't speak of that which does not exist.

Also I'm not entirely sure if you guys know what "perma as boost means" All he has to do is auto attack 10 times times in 4 second for a constant as boost. that math may mean that you need 2.5 as to do so but in reality you get an auto attack off at the start which means you only have to take into account 9 times in 4 seconds which is 2.25 as. the last auto attack will gain a significant boost to get the next auto attack off so reasonably you can do the math for 8 auto attacks in 4 seconds for just around 2 as needed. Base as plus the boost as and 4 as from masteries to as will get you right at 1.85 as as it is and even with the soft cap diminishing your returns making that last 0.2-0.4 in the form of 20% from zerkers and 50% from the dancer you're going to be hitting constant as boost with no problems.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 20:54:50
March 03 2013 20:53 GMT
#647
On March 04 2013 04:32 Shikyo wrote:
Speaking of TROLLS, has anyone tried Tiamat / Ravenous Hydra on gangplank and using Parrrley to lasthit clumps of low hp minions to gain like 100 mana per Q, and spamming W to heal?

I've done a Hydra/Iceborn Gauntlet/full CDR/tanky build once on him. Not only are you rich, but you're incredibly hard to kill, put out a large amount of slows (with ulti, passive, and Iceborn, which has melee radius on him), and do surprisingly high sustained damage.

I've been trying a variation of that build for jungle GP. I currently wish Riot actually allowed his Q bonus gold to apply twice versus large minions, like Nasus/Veigar/Sion.

Also, if anyone's played jungle GP, do you guys prefer Madreds/Wriggles (as I do), or spirit stone into Lizard Elder? Spectated a couple games where Nintendudex built Lizard Elder over Wriggles, but I question sacrificing the jungle speed that Madreds/Wriggles give to GP.

Does Lizard Elder apply to his R?

As for BotRK: Irelia. No more Triforce, just BotRK+Zephyr+tank items on her.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 03 2013 20:55 GMT
#648
Doublelift sees no problem with the new BotRK haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 21:11:41
March 03 2013 21:01 GMT
#649
On March 04 2013 03:32 NpG)Explosive wrote:
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On March 04 2013 03:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote:
On March 03 2013 20:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2013 20:12 Kontossis wrote:
On March 03 2013 20:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2013 19:41 Diamond wrote:
On March 03 2013 19:31 wei2coolman wrote:
I think people building botrk forget that champs have AD scaling abilities, and rushing botrk ruins that; as opposed to BT.


I've been using it on junglers. Ganks are much more scary. Also with champs like Nocturne, the attack speed is awesome to have. Also BF sword is stupid expensive.

I was more hinting at ADC's going BotRK


Pretty much every ADC should build this item first though. The only debatable one in my opinion would be Draven, and even then, he, like anyone that uses autos should build this. I don't even think it's debatable whether BT or BotRK is better on any other ADC.

Graves; EZ; Corki; Cait, MF; and a few others probably optimize better with BT first. Also remember early midgame is the timing we're talking about; so power curve should be favoring BT over BotRK.

The only ADC's that would benefit from BotRK first is if they have no or poor AD scaling abilities; or their main source of damage is auto attacking (in mid game). So Kog, Trist, Vayne probably decent candidates for BotRK first build. I'd say it's more of a minority of ADC's that should go BotRK first though.


Early midgame is way in BotRK's favor. It only takes 1288 health for the active of BotRK to equal the damage of a melee range Q + R from Graves with a fully stacked BT and it heals you + steals speed + does a decent nuke. Ezreal's Q procs BotRK, only his R is benefited by attack damage... and only 70 from a fully stacked BT due to a 1.0 bonus AD scaling. I have no clue how Cait would be better with a BT... even before, Caitlyn would go IE into PD, with a vamp sceptor somewhere in between. Now, people are going BotRK into IE into PD which is a hugely effective build.

Not to be too offensive, but it seems like to me that everywhere else except teamliquid that people are complaining because this BotRK is too powerful. Here, it seems like a debate that BT is better in some situations, even though high level streams has 6+ BotRKs each game.

It's just released of course people going to play around with the item. I'm pretty sure cait's headshot doesn't deal extra botrk passive dmg, thats wht bt or ie is better pickup early on. Not to mention if you are actually in range to use botrk active w/ cait, you're doing it wrong. Also low health targets become obscenely hard to kill, especially in league of shields. Can't really be snowballing kills if you do less damages the less health they have (it's like a reverse lee sin q).


Cait's headshot doesn't deal any extra damage if you also crit, so I guess IE is just as bad as bortk as far as headshot is concerned.
Also cait is not necesserally doing something wrong if she's in range to use the active. Actually I think the ennemy team is doing something very wrong is cait is never in range to use it. I don't see high level games where both ad carries spend the whole teams without any ennemies within 500 range.

80 x 1.50 vs 30 x 1.50; is a huge difference in damage....

On March 04 2013 05:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Doublelift sees no problem with the new BotRK haha.

It's a nice item to round off a full offensive build; and adds variety. But, it's midgame timing is overrated. It's killing potential is lower than typical BT or IE opening.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 03 2013 21:05 GMT
#650
On March 04 2013 05:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 04:32 Shikyo wrote:
Speaking of TROLLS, has anyone tried Tiamat / Ravenous Hydra on gangplank and using Parrrley to lasthit clumps of low hp minions to gain like 100 mana per Q, and spamming W to heal?

I've done a Hydra/Iceborn Gauntlet/full CDR/tanky build once on him. Not only are you rich, but you're incredibly hard to kill, put out a large amount of slows (with ulti, passive, and Iceborn, which has melee radius on him), and do surprisingly high sustained damage.

I've been trying a variation of that build for jungle GP. I currently wish Riot actually allowed his Q bonus gold to apply twice versus large minions, like Nasus/Veigar/Sion.

Also, if anyone's played jungle GP, do you guys prefer Madreds/Wriggles (as I do), or spirit stone into Lizard Elder? Spectated a couple games where Nintendudex built Lizard Elder over Wriggles, but I question sacrificing the jungle speed that Madreds/Wriggles give to GP.

Does Lizard Elder apply to his R?

As for BotRK: Irelia. No more Triforce, just BotRK+Zephyr+tank items on her.

Damn, does Q proc the Iceborn Gauntlet AoE? That's some crazy mana regen if it does...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
March 03 2013 21:08 GMT
#651
NA is dead as fuck right now man. The web sites acting really weird and I can't log in.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
cDgCornpops
Profile Joined April 2011
62 Posts
March 03 2013 21:09 GMT
#652
Is anyone else having issues loggin into NA?
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
March 03 2013 21:10 GMT
#653
Really hope this doesn't cost me the win that would have put me into gold...
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
March 03 2013 21:11 GMT
#654
i had problems in tht i would get some weird crash when i open client and none of the lines of text show up.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
March 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#655
iBlitzcrank has gone rogue. Everyone at Riot is dead or captured. They are coming.
Stay positive!
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
March 03 2013 21:19 GMT
#656
Is it just NA having problems, or other servers too?
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 03 2013 21:20 GMT
#657
NA can't log in ...
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
March 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#658
On March 04 2013 06:14 remedium wrote:
iBlitzcrank has gone rogue. Everyone at Riot is dead or captured. They are coming.


He's probably just blowin' off some steam.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#659
Gangplank's Q does proc Iceborn gauntlet AOE but the mana return and the extra gold you get for killing is only going to be applied to the original minion you shot IIRC.

Spirit of the Lizard Elder does work with his ult, each cannon ball will proc the true damage.

I've been playing lots of GP as of late. He mostly gets dunked on in lane so you have to max oranges first and just farm it out.
Retvrn to Forvms
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
March 03 2013 21:27 GMT
#660
Leageu down for anyone else? Oh and Quinn is imbalanced as fuck.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
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