EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 132
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NovaTheFeared
United States7230 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's that Riot went through the effort of saying they don't sell power (even making the distinction of NOT selling runes for RP for that purpose) and then end up more or less selling power. People wouldn't care if Riot never said anything about that. You could argue that going from 15 to 20 runepages is a matter of convenience, but given the clear difference in going from 2 runepages to 5, it's pretty hard to argue that's not selling power. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 13 2013 08:56 Slayer91 wrote: I've got one page for support could easily have one page for top and mid and jungle the same if you pick similar champs I could probably get to diamond with a new account using only 2 pages Again, why should people who want to play various champions be the hamstrung population? Someone above said 'you have access to everything' but it's flat not true, until you cover the enormous and still growing barrier to entry. This game continues to get more expensive the longer it exists for new players. Being 'able' is different than 'should have to' or 'feel forced to.' I really don't give a fuck if you can get to diamond using 1 champion and 1 rune page. I want to play all the champions because I enjoy that, it's part of how I have fun in this game, and I continually feel reminded that I've chosen the 'wrong' form of enjoyment because I don't want to specialize mid lane long range poke champs only. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:14 red_ wrote: Again, why should people who want to play various champions be the hamstrung population? Someone above said 'you have access to everything' but it's flat not true, until you cover the enormous and still growing barrier to entry. This game continues to get more expensive the longer it exists for new players. Being 'able' is different than 'should have to' or 'feel forced to.' I really don't give a fuck if you can get to diamond using 1 champion and 1 rune page. I want to play all the champions because I enjoy that, it's part of how I have fun in this game, and I continually feel reminded that I've chosen the 'wrong' form of enjoyment because I don't want to specialize mid lane long range poke champs only. If you want to play every champion there are free weeks for that. It took chaox a full time pro LoL player, what, weeks? to play every champ ONCE. Now you need at least 5-10 games to get decent with a hero anyway so it should take you like a year to play every champion once by playing them 5 times each on the free week Riot isnt providing a charity service, if you want something its available for money, money they need to run a multi million dollar organsiation to provide you this game, if you dont like it not only are you allowed to play their game and access all the important content for free but you can also pay an upfront price for any other game that unlocks all content instantly. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 13 2013 07:50 Seuss wrote: Your idea is fine, laudable even, but I disagree with the reasoning which motivated it. The amateur level of play is not different from the competitive level because of runes, masteries, or even champions, but because the vast, vast majority of amateur players are far, far worse at the game than the professionals. It's the same way chess, soccer, or even the 21 game are different when comparing amateurs to experts. The chasm in skill is a result of experience, knowledge, and practice; the quality of the chess board/soccer ball has an extremely limited impact. You can't have a game where there's no difference between the amateur level of play and the competitive unless you remove skill from the equation, whether it be mechanical, strategical, or tactical. That's all without taking into account that the competitive level is played 5v5, rather than 1+1+1+1+1 v 1+1+1+1+1 (and other variations thereof). The problem with Runaan's is that you're rarely going to hit multiple targets with it enough for it to be more valuable than just about any other item. Nashor's combination of AP, CDR, and AS is too powerful to really consider something like Runaan's. Isn't runaan's "splash" radius being increased? I remember seeing a red post about it, and it's not something the normal PBE dataminers will catch since it won't be in a tooltip. | ||
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Arekan
United States248 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 13 2013 08:58 UniversalSnip wrote: step one use analogy to advance argument step two abandon it as soon as it's criticized since it actually works the opposite way Abandon it?....what? I'm saying that you can still play the game for free. There's no boundary saying stop, you can't play this game because a. You aren't dishing out $ or b. You aren't playing 100 hours a week. You can work for the clubs or you can pay for them. They're there, available. However, you're not going to walk into the store demanding the same product as the person who is paying for the clubs, or the one working for them, are you? Guess we can agree to disagree. I don't think that everyone should get everything handed to them. A starter kit is fine and would be great, but the people who grind out the IP or dish out the money for it should receive something for it. Riot needs income as well for all of the awesome events they put on, and it's fine by me if they offer to sell a product for convenience to someone willing to spend cash instead of just handing out runes and pages for all because people don't want to pay or want everything handed to them for free, immediately. Bottom line is everything in this game can be achieved for free excluding skins. Other than that, it just requires time. If you want to spend all your points on champs, good for you, but don't complain that you don't have runes when you had a choice. You'll get both in time. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:19 NeoIllusions wrote: Alright, you kids are safe. Twitter chatter going about saying there's a Riot designer who helped make Zac, etc. So if it is an April Fool's joke, it'll be something along the lines of Lee Sin hyperbole. Most red posts in the log threads are from subninja and Ranson who pretty much said they designed Zac, so... Ranson said they'd do an AMA too, to tell more about the way he was created (somebody wanted details about how the end product differed from the "idea board" thing). | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Rune pages aren't super expensive. You start with three, earn enough IP for three or four leveling up to thirty. I dunno, it not that grindy. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'll probably tag it in the 10C and link it to this thread. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:43 NeoIllusions wrote: What page did it start? l0l I'll probably tag it in the 10C and link it to this thread. Top of 122 is where the magic starts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400820¤tpage=122#2421 | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:31 thenexusp wrote: Isn't runaan's "splash" radius being increased? I remember seeing a red post about it, and it's not something the normal PBE dataminers will catch since it won't be in a tooltip. Yeah, there was talk about it being bumped up to 375 from 300, but I think that was in a post about things coming in the next next patch, not the immediate next one. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
I do, however, really want them to make better bundles, which someone already brought up. For christ's sake, they could probably make a really good amount of money with new bundles, and help a lot of newer paying players. Maybe even rune bundles (though I'm not sure how exactly that would work out). Actually, one thing that I thought of while writing this was champion/skin lottery, where you could pay a lower amount of IP/RP and get a random champ/skin. If you get what you wanted, awesome. If not, try again. This probably won't ever happen, but sounds kind of neat to me. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 13 2013 10:14 Dark_Chill wrote: Actually, one thing that I thought of while writing this was champion/skin lottery, where you could pay a lower amount of IP/RP and get a random champ/skin. If you get what you wanted, awesome. If not, try again. This probably won't ever happen, but sounds kind of neat to me. It'd be too much of a gambling thing which players would say were intended to prey on addictive behaviors | ||
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