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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 20 2013 00:34 GMT
#1561
On February 20 2013 09:28 wei2coolman wrote:
lololol, nyjacky accidentally put his cell phone number while doing his grubhub ordering. this can only end badly in so many ways.

And this is why a lot of streamers use the stream privacy tool so we can't see their browser lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
February 20 2013 00:35 GMT
#1562
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 00:39:59
February 20 2013 00:35 GMT
#1563
On February 20 2013 09:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:28 wei2coolman wrote:
lololol, nyjacky accidentally put his cell phone number while doing his grubhub ordering. this can only end badly in so many ways.

And this is why a lot of streamers use the stream privacy tool so we can't see their browser lol.

He was advertising Grubhub by using it though; since Curse sponsored by Grubhub, he just forgot to pull it over to 2nd monitor when it came to entering phonenumber. rofl.
Man I feel bad for Nyjacky He's on a verge of a breakdown. Don't cry jacky, you gunna make me cry. :'(
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

Play fizz. troll pole his damage, then reduce his healing. Take your hue's all the way to the bank.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 20 2013 00:44 GMT
#1564
On February 20 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:28 wei2coolman wrote:
lololol, nyjacky accidentally put his cell phone number while doing his grubhub ordering. this can only end badly in so many ways.

And this is why a lot of streamers use the stream privacy tool so we can't see their browser lol.

He was advertising Grubhub by using it though; since Curse sponsored by Grubhub, he just forgot to pull it over to 2nd monitor when it came to entering phonenumber. rofl.
Man I feel bad for Nyjacky He's on a verge of a breakdown. Don't cry jacky, you gunna make me cry. :'(
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

Play fizz. troll pole his damage, then reduce his healing. Take your hue's all the way to the bank.

Noooo sad Jacky makes me sad. Hasn't thought about the advertising angle.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 20 2013 00:48 GMT
#1565
On February 20 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:28 wei2coolman wrote:
lololol, nyjacky accidentally put his cell phone number while doing his grubhub ordering. this can only end badly in so many ways.

And this is why a lot of streamers use the stream privacy tool so we can't see their browser lol.

He was advertising Grubhub by using it though; since Curse sponsored by Grubhub, he just forgot to pull it over to 2nd monitor when it came to entering phonenumber. rofl.
Man I feel bad for Nyjacky He's on a verge of a breakdown. Don't cry jacky, you gunna make me cry. :'(
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

Play fizz. troll pole his damage, then reduce his healing. Take your hue's all the way to the bank.

Can't he just call his phone service provider and get his number changed? At worst he'd have to get a new phone and transfer contacts I guess.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 20 2013 00:54 GMT
#1566
http://www.twitch.tv/edwardlol

GG.Edward (gosupepper) streaming with english commentary.

Quite good.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 20 2013 00:55 GMT
#1567
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

somebody in here said morellonomicon teemo
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 20 2013 01:04 GMT
#1568
On February 20 2013 09:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

somebody in here said morellonomicon teemo


sup
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 20 2013 01:06 GMT
#1569
On February 20 2013 10:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 09:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

somebody in here said morellonomicon teemo


sup


Hey neo whats up.

anyway I think it was sufficiency? or maybe two_down suggested it.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 20 2013 01:07 GMT
#1570
lol GosuPepper english is so cute.
WriterXiao8~~
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 20 2013 01:13 GMT
#1571
On February 20 2013 10:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 10:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:35 dae wrote:
Is there anything at all that can hardcounter ap tryndamere top?

So bullshit that he has free infinite sustain.

somebody in here said morellonomicon teemo


sup


Hey neo whats up.

anyway I think it was sufficiency? or maybe two_down suggested it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398485&currentpage=68#1343
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 20 2013 01:15 GMT
#1572
i was messing with u

:u
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 01:24:42
February 20 2013 01:16 GMT
#1573
On February 20 2013 10:15 UniversalSnip wrote:
i was messing with u

:u


hook line and sinker

gg USnip.

Edit: I meant I got baited btw.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 01:30:30
February 20 2013 01:19 GMT
#1574
edit: oh I win. sweet.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 20 2013 01:26 GMT
#1575
On February 20 2013 10:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 10:15 UniversalSnip wrote:
i was messing with u

:u


hook line and sinker

gg USnip.

Edit: I meant I got baited btw.

*The joke*













-Neo's head-
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 20 2013 01:32 GMT
#1576
Watching bear jungle on st vicious's stream seems to be that Volibear's flip tends to bug out o_O I've watched it fail to flip people/minions back three times now in one game alone and it's not even to seven minutes yet.

I can see why people might not want to play bear jungle, I dont' remember his stuff bugging out when I played him.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
February 20 2013 01:35 GMT
#1577
On February 20 2013 07:59 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 07:42 Alaric wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Mathy Stuff] +
So... from what I got "Diff the Ender"'s theorycrafting on RoG leaves a fuckton to be desired. Now if somebody had some time on his hands (or some love for maths) I wouldn't be against a proof-read of the proof-read I did of his Liandry article.
As in I got asked my opinion on it on another forum and went all "But TL didn't tell me yet what to think of it " then wasted 80 minutes doing maths and copypasting numbers on a post.

I'll start with his conclusion:
Very rarely will you land a perfect burst where Liandry's only procs 3 seconds and not 5 or 6 seconds. This favours Liandry's even more. If you're wondering what two extra seconds of Liandry's tick would do (at 2% per tick) -- it would turn the "Lux not slowed" graph into what looks like the "Lux 4% per tick graph".

Liandry's deals anywhere from around 25% to 200% more damage per spell depending on which spell and which enemy. Even more if it's a DoT spell like Malzahar's Malefic Visions.
If your champion has any sort of damage over time ability or a reliable movement inhibiting CC (slow/stun/suppress/snare etc), always build a Liandry's over a Void Staff when presented with the choice (obviously both is better).

He obviously has no idea that Liandry's ticks once every half-second for 1%, starting 0.5s after the spell damage, and is reset every time spell damage is applied, which results in most DoTs "eating" ticks until the last of their own.
It also means if you cast a spell a second or less after the previous one, you'll only get 1 tick at most out of it (the 0.5s one), which destroys most of his arguments regarding "It doesn't matter that you burst harder because you don't click fast enough so you have extra ticks".

Now if you look at the breakeven points then look back at your full burst, most of the time on the left half of the graph, you will actually end up killing the enemy.

Another one of his "arguments": when Void Staff is better you 100-0 the enemy anyway so all those cases don't count.
Except he says absolutely nothing about the inane cases that work for his opinion, like the 3000 HP 40 MR that obviously works better for Liandry's. It almost sounds like he biases his article on purpose, which would greatly annoy me for a guy claiming he gets theorycraft requests from pro players.

Let's look at an example - if you land a Lux E, that's the AoE glowy thing that slows and you can detonate after, on a target with 50 MR and 1500 HP currently, you will deal roughly 25% more damage with a Liandry's than a Void Staff. I repeat - 25% more damage. And if they get slowed by someone else for the 3 seconds Liandry's ticks, then that becomes 50% more damage.

Here's where I need proof-reading: I did some maths myself, based on his 22.8 flat, 8% MPen vs 1500 HP + 50 MR setup using Lux's E as damage. My results differ from his so much that I need to be sure I'm doing it right, because either way one of us screwed up heavily.
+ Show Spoiler [My maths] +
240 + 0.6 AP against 50 MR + 1500 HP. With a Void Staff (70 AP), we get 282 damage reduced to 263.3.
With Liandry's (50 AP), 270 reduced to 219, then Liandry's ticks for 72 damage getting to 291.
1st tick : 1500 - 219 = 1281; 1% = 12.81 reduced to 10.39 -> 1270.
2nd tick : 1270 -> 10.31 -> 1260.
3rd tick : 1260 -> 10.22 -> 1250.
4th tick : 1250 -> 10.14 -> 1240.
5th tick : 1240 -> 10.06 -> 1230
6th tick : 1230 -> 9.98 -> 1220 (1219.86).
-> ~61 more damage.
I then realized Diff probably talked about 1500 HP when Liandry's starts ticking, so I redid the maths and ended with around 72 more damage.
The 61 more damage case gives 280 damage total, meaning ~6% more damage for Liandry's, the 72 more damage case results in 291 total damage meaning ~10.5% over Void Staff. I calculated the "slowed for 3 seconds" case assuming 1500 HP before the spell and it went from 61 damage to 120, meaning 339 total damage from Lux's E and a 28.7% damage increase over the Void Staff case.

Not that those numbers are insignificant (6% wouldn't be much but 10.5% is relatively high), but... Diff got 25% when I get at most 10.5%, and 50% when I get what I assume would be ~40-45% at most.

Finally:
I experimented with various values and realised that your current AP actually does not result in a significant difference in damage when comparing Liandry's to Void so I could eliminate that variable and purely use the values of Liandry's AP and Void Staff's AP to calculate the damage differences.

I calculated that with a 0.6 AP ratio you get around 8-9% of your AP more damage (post-mitigation) with a Void Staff compared to Liandry's, and it improves as the ratio raises (Void Staff doing up to 13% of your AP more damage (post-mitigation again) on a 0.9 AP ratio spell against 150 MR targets), that's far from non-significant, dammit. With 300 additional AP (deathcap+masteries+almost any AP item on top of your Liandry's or Void Staff) that's ~30 more damage when your spells do 280-330 damage to your high MR targets, that's like 10 fucking % additional damage and he calls that "not significant" before gloating over Liandry's 10% "increase".


I was under the impression that the recent patch changed Liandry's so that reapplications no longer munch ticks.



It did- it went from "meh" on Swain to "rapetastic" on Swain.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
February 20 2013 01:44 GMT
#1578
So I was looking for a Starcraft-related post, and somehow ended-up finding this gem:

On April 02 2010 08:03 HazMat wrote:

LoL is an esport? I thought it was one of those games were the time you spend on it > skill. I want to try it but I fear I'll get addicted.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 01:52:34
February 20 2013 01:52 GMT
#1579
Hecarim = Ponyta
Wukong = Aipom
Skarner = Skorupi
Brand = Magmar
Yeeah pokemon!
Actually I think I am a bit late to the party but nvm
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 20 2013 01:53 GMT
#1580
On February 20 2013 10:44 Cedstick wrote:
So I was looking for a Starcraft-related post, and somehow ended-up finding this gem:

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 08:03 HazMat wrote:

LoL is an esport? I thought it was one of those games were the time you spend on it > skill. I want to try it but I fear I'll get addicted.

Oh man, that's gold. Someone sticky that please?
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