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On February 18 2013 20:43 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:On February 18 2013 20:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
In all honesty, the patches now are MUCH better than they were when I took my break ~a year ago.
Instead of crazy ass reworks and seemingly inane changes in power (both up and down) among champions, back then things DID change badly each patch.
Now there seems to be a tread towards tweaking things (possibly too much still) but nowhere near as impactful as it was back then. I totally agree. A year ago the changes were too 'heavy' and caused more problems than it offered balance. I like how Riot take time to tweak minor things, balance is pretty good as it is now actually. Back when I started playing, there were alot of hardcounters. Now its more to the players skill on who wins a matchup, wich is perfect imo. Ha! They just do all the big things at once and it affects perception. Did you forget the season three patch? "So the conclusion is: If you take control of a state, you should make a list of all the crimes you have to commit and do them all at once. That way you will not have to commit new atrocities every day, and you will be able, by not repeating your evil deeds, to reassure your subjects and to win their support by treating them well. He who acts otherwise, either out of squeamishness or out of bad judgment, has to hold a bloody knife in his hand all the time. He can never rely on his subjects, for they can never trust him, for he is always making new attacks upon them. Do all the harm you must at one and the same time, that way the full extent of it will not be noticed, and it will give least offense. One should do good, on the other hand, little by little, so people can fully appreciate it. "
Between seasons updates are always bigger. Thats how it always has been with pretty much every game. They wont change something big in the middle of a season. S3 starts, everyone begins fresh and from square one. The patches during regular season however are pretty small in terms of tweaks. Add 5 damage here, lose 5% cdr there, nothing too big. Is what my point was
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On February 18 2013 21:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 20:50 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't think any period I've played in has seen as much change as the difference between one week before the last season patch and now. 1st time they buffed minions S1 and they could push your entire base if an extra ranged creep got mixed in. 1st Jungle remake that basically gutted the game. There were a few times that had some pretty drastic effects on the way you needed to play. And that isnt even counting release chars like Xin or that Pantheon remake.
im not trying to be a naysayer, but I just don't see those as being anywhere near as big.
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On February 18 2013 19:49 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 19:46 Mondeezy wrote:On February 18 2013 16:29 Chrispy wrote:
Why are there so many goofballs out there not banning Nidalee 100% of the time?
Seriously. Is she really that bad? I mean, idk. At least the ones I play vs tend to suck in lane and I snowball off them. Maybe I should practice her more lol. Are you speaking about AP or Bruiser Nid? I find bruiser a lot more annoying to deal with tbh I think bruiser Nidalee is strong and might or might not deserve a nerf (Riot will still surely nerf her), but AP nidalee is just broken
AP nid really isn't that strong. Annoying yes but she turns every real fight into a 4v5 in your favor so exploit that with a good hard engage and tower pushes. Both of these AP nid has no real answer to
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On February 18 2013 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote:
And here is the first very general question. Should i just focus on winning my lane as hard as i can, even if it means teamfights are going to be akward, or should i sacrifice a bit of laning power (or a lot) and pick for what the team needs?
Next question, what to do against a good cait/taric? They have so much disengage, that a hard engage lane seems not worth it, a poke comp seems a bad idea as well, so, just farming with something like Soraka or Janna, keeping the ad healthy but never getting aggressive?
QQ
For the first point. Play what the comp needs but also know that sona and lulu can peel just fine so long as the enemies aren't immune to slow. Wrt your lane partner if they are carrying you when they are support figure out why you guys are on a different page when you support. I am willing to bet that you aren't doing some things which change the information that the two of you have. Or that you keep the lane in more favorable positions when you adc and this makes the engages he tries as support good ideas while when you're supporting they are not
For the second part pick someone who can shove the lane or aid in shoving the lane. Keep the wave off your tower and ideally a bit towards theirs and your adc will outfarm and outscale cait
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On February 18 2013 18:55 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 18:09 Navi wrote:
i think thresh is very very good and is a "relatively sleeper" op right now. once everyone has gotten more exposure to thresh (get to know his kit and his approx ranges) i think he will be picked much more often. I think he *is* OP. His Q CCs way too long, E is spammable, and that R.... gosh.
The fact alone that Thresh is pretty strong despite noone abusing the lantern means that he is OP if people really use it. If you have a jungler with some mobility and a CC (So, pretty much any jungler), the enemy can never push you, because laneganks with lantern are absurdly strong. Throw lantern backwards, run farward, flash while the jungler is flying towards you, he hits any cc you hit your hook. There is no way to escape that. However, it relies on the jungler actually coming botlane through lane. And they don't. In most games, your lantern is basically a glorified locket active. Which is still strong, but not as OP as it could be if ANYONE would actually click on it. And despite this amount of wasted potential, thresh is still strong.
I am basically just waiting for him to be released in the professional tournaments and people seeing just how much he can be abused to realize what you can do with that lantern, at which point he will very quickly achieve permaban status.
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On February 18 2013 21:45 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 19:49 OutlaW- wrote:On February 18 2013 19:46 Mondeezy wrote:On February 18 2013 16:29 Chrispy wrote:
Why are there so many goofballs out there not banning Nidalee 100% of the time?
Seriously. Is she really that bad? I mean, idk. At least the ones I play vs tend to suck in lane and I snowball off them. Maybe I should practice her more lol. Are you speaking about AP or Bruiser Nid? I find bruiser a lot more annoying to deal with tbh I think bruiser Nidalee is strong and might or might not deserve a nerf (Riot will still surely nerf her), but AP nidalee is just broken AP nix really isn't that strong. Annoying yes but she turns every real fight into a 4v5 in your favor so exploit that with a good hard engage and tower pushes. Both of these AP nix has no real answer tooShow nested quote +On February 18 2013 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote:
And here is the first very general question. Should i just focus on winning my lane as hard as i can, even if it means teamfights are going to be akward, or should i sacrifice a bit of laning power (or a lot) and pick for what the team needs?
Next question, what to do against a good cait/taric? They have so much disengage, that a hard engage lane seems not worth it, a poke comp seems a bad idea as well, so, just farming with something like Soraka or Janna, keeping the ad healthy but never getting aggressive?
QQ For the first point. Play what the comp needs but also know that sona and lulu can peel just fine so long as the enemies aren't immune to slow. Wrt your lane partner if they are carrying you when they are support figure out why you guys are on a different page when you support. I am willing to bet that you aren't doing some things which change the information that the two of you have. Or that you keep the lane in more favorable positions when you adc and this makes the engages he tries as support good ideas while when you're supporting they are not For the second part pick someone who can shove the lane or aid in shoving the lane. Keep the wave off your tower and ideally a bit towards theirs and your adc will outfarm and outscale cait
3 or 4 spears can turn any team into a jelly bunch of runners. At this point, it's up to your team to get a good engage and it's basically win. I've seen a "good" nidalee winning a game by herself.
You can't really says that she "isn't that strong" when you get hard engage and tower pushes, because you are making the assumption that the team nidalee goes up against will have those things and will be able to play together and get into team fights. While it's true in theory, in soloq it's just a theory and nothing else. Half of the games I plays in never goes to the point of team fights and stays at fistycuffs level, people fighting here and there for no reasons and never grouping up. In this situation, she is godlike, with one of the highest damage and mobility.
I think that's what most people are talking about when they says she is annoying. She has the ability to pull teams to play on her grounds.
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She takes advantage of indecisiveness, can carry games by herself if she's good enough and her roaming power is excellent. It makes sense for people who only play soloq would consider her broken. We'll see how well she does in LCS and other tournaments, I guess.
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I don't think we've still established "who is broken." I think the LCS games have shown how strong Xin is, but other than that it's mostly tied to the players. I don't think anyone thinks Mao is very strong right now, but he's still seen some bans against TSM.
So with that, I can't really complain what anyone bans. If you hate Nid that much, great go for it. Its the same reason Shaco has always been a common ban. SoloQ bans are as much as "I think this guy is strong" as they are "I don't think my team knows how to dodge spears."
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IEM World Championship groups revealed
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Group A
Gambit
Fnatic
Incredible Miracle
CJ entus Blaze
Milenium
paiN Gaming
Group B
Meet your makers
SK Telcom T1
Sk Gaming
Anexis
Evil Geniuses
CJ Entus Frost
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To both the points of how very, very strong AP Nid is and last week's discussion of the brokenness of siege champs (Xerath and Lux, specifically), a few friends and I played a few games this weekend of a specialized siege comp- AP Nid top, Xerath mid, Lux/Cait bot, with Amumu jung for peels. Our instaclear potential under turrets was amazing, and poke was stupid. Nid probably could have been replaced with a tankier top laner, but the comp felt stupidly strong.
Anyone played a pure siege comp lately?
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So I just finished a game and as jungle Vi I have less damage dealt to champions than Lulu, and am third in damage taken behind Garen and Caitlyn... there were some lagging fights (where people with lifesteal or warmogs would keep on fighting while me and my 300 HP were happily baiting people to split up into chases) and I didn't fight during a nashor fight till I killed it and then ult'd out of the pit to catch Kog, and after a long inhib fight and chase I recalled a good 15s after Cait, allowing her to heal and run back to the fight while I dealt with only splitpushing Kha'Zix.
But still, even with all those fights split into 4v4-1v1 or 4v3-1v2 it's a bit stingy to see your Lulu support did more damage than your bruiser jungler. 
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On February 19 2013 00:28 nojitosunrise wrote:IEM World Championship groups revealed Group A Gambit Fnatic Incredible Miracle CJ entus Blaze Milenium paiN Gaming Group B Meet your makers SK Telcom T1 Sk Gaming Anexis Evil Geniuses CJ Entus Frost
Ok? Does that mean teams are allowed to participate in regular tournaments outside of the LCS? As far as I remember there was some discussion about that? Or is this somehow sanctioned by Riot?
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On February 19 2013 00:43 Alaric wrote:So I just finished a game and as jungle Vi I have less damage dealt to champions than Lulu, and am third in damage taken behind Garen and Caitlyn... there were some lagging fights (where people with lifesteal or warmogs would keep on fighting while me and my 300 HP were happily baiting people to split up into chases) and I didn't fight during a nashor fight till I killed it and then ult'd out of the pit to catch Kog, and after a long inhib fight and chase I recalled a good 15s after Cait, allowing her to heal and run back to the fight while I dealt with only splitpushing Kha'Zix. But still, even with all those fights split into 4v4-1v1 or 4v3-1v2 it's a bit stingy to see your Lulu support did more damage than your bruiser jungler.
Vi's damage is fine.
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I'm not complaining about her damage at all, I've been saying since day1 that her damage is really, really strong. I'm just amused that I managed, through the way the teamfights played out (both positioning and duration), to deal less damage than the support over the course of a 40 minutes game.
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On February 19 2013 00:28 nojitosunrise wrote:IEM World Championship groups revealed Group A Gambit Fnatic Incredible Miracle CJ entus Blaze Milenium paiN Gaming Group B Meet your makers SK Telcom T1 Sk Gaming Anexis Evil Geniuses CJ Entus Frost
So stacked 0o
And group stage is Bo1 round robin, top three advance. Bracket stage all Bo3 except for finals which are Bo5.
Dayummm, so good to see a world lineup tournament again, there aren't really any bad teams on here. Teams like paiN or Anexis are great underdogs that we don't know that much about, whilst there are like 4 power houses in each group 0o.
Predictions: Group A: Blaze + IM + Gambit (they always man up at live events, esp IEM). Would really like to see Mill/Fnatic go through though.
Group B: Frost + EG + SK. Predicting against SKT1 here, probably going to bite me in the ass. SK are a gamble, I hope they perform well.
I'd love to see Gambit in the finals because IEM is their turf, but I think they might fall against EG/SK in bracket stage. Still rooting for a EU win, but the Korean teams present are all very high tier and it will be extremely hard.
I'm hoping for at least one upset against a Korean team, and one minor EU team to get some wins against Koreans, to make a name. Mill/MYM/paiN/Anexis are all underdogs and have it in them to edge in Bo1's against Koreans if they are in top form.
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I wonder if these groups were random or if they tried to balance them. I find it funny Frost/Blaze almost always end in different groups :p
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Pretty excited seems like IEM WC will be the real last international tournament for a long time?
Also I thought one of our TL was the manager of an NA team that qualified? I don't see any NA teams?.
If either Gambit, EG or Fnatic can come out ahead against 4 koreans teams, I guess they will really establish their position as a Top Team. Imagine if WE+TPA attended too.
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On February 19 2013 01:17 AsnSensation wrote:
Also I thought one of our TL was the manager of an NA team that qualified? I don't see any NA teams?.
Hue hue
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On February 19 2013 01:21 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 01:17 AsnSensation wrote:
Also I thought one of our TL was the manager of an NA team that qualified? I don't see any NA teams?. Hue hue
Don't know what's so funny, didn't someone post here 2 days ago saying that they won a qualifier organized by NESL?^^
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Group A: Fnatic Blaze are sure picks, third place is toss up between GG and IM
B: Koreans and EG, Mym have a decent chance, SK has a small chance.
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On February 19 2013 00:49 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:28 nojitosunrise wrote:IEM World Championship groups revealed Group A Gambit Fnatic Incredible Miracle CJ entus Blaze Milenium paiN Gaming Group B Meet your makers SK Telcom T1 Sk Gaming Anexis Evil Geniuses CJ Entus Frost Ok? Does that mean teams are allowed to participate in regular tournaments outside of the LCS? As far as I remember there was some discussion about that? Or is this somehow sanctioned by Riot?
From what I read this is allowed because teams qualified before LCS was in place. Anything after that I'm not sure.
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