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[Patch 3.02: Fake Quinn] General Discussion - Page 29

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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 15 2013 15:37 GMT
#561
Man, I was ready to shell out RP for Debonair Jayce, but I really want Quinn.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 15 2013 15:39 GMT
#562
On February 15 2013 22:58 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 22:44 BlueSpace wrote:
Regarding the BotrK discussion. Your target has to have around 2.2k HP so that the average damage of a BotrK becomes larger than that of a fully stacked bloodthirster. With all the giant belts and adc building mogs it does sound attractive to replace a BT with a BotrK. So basically if you're expecting to fight high health targets most of the time and your build includes a BT, you might want to consider replacing the BT with a Botrk. Of course this doesn't say anything about timings, but apart from that there are probably late game 6-item scenarios where selling a BT and picking up a BotrK is actually worth it.

Edit: One question regarding the passive. Is the heal calculated before or after armor? So are you flat healing for 2.5% of the actual health of your target or is it (5% actual health - armor)/2 heal?

The heal from the active effect will always be equal to 150 (+50% Total AD) - it is calculated before the effects of damage mitigation are considered.
Disregarding the active ability, to exceed damage gained by a fully stacked The Bloodthirster on a target, the target must have at least 1100 health. To deal more average damage to a target than a The Bloodthirster from full to no health, the target must have over 2200 health.
Your attacks deal 5% of the target's current health in physical damage and heals you for half the amount (120 max. vs. minions) - heals half the damage of the damage that is dealt

Bear in mind that people tend to spend more time at lower health than at higher health because up-front burst damage means people will generally lose a significant chunk of their HP up front from the first round of abilities, and then lose the remaining health over the rest of the fight.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 15:41:13
February 15 2013 15:39 GMT
#563
On February 16 2013 00:39 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 22:58 OutlaW- wrote:
On February 15 2013 22:44 BlueSpace wrote:
Regarding the BotrK discussion. Your target has to have around 2.2k HP so that the average damage of a BotrK becomes larger than that of a fully stacked bloodthirster. With all the giant belts and adc building mogs it does sound attractive to replace a BT with a BotrK. So basically if you're expecting to fight high health targets most of the time and your build includes a BT, you might want to consider replacing the BT with a Botrk. Of course this doesn't say anything about timings, but apart from that there are probably late game 6-item scenarios where selling a BT and picking up a BotrK is actually worth it.

Edit: One question regarding the passive. Is the heal calculated before or after armor? So are you flat healing for 2.5% of the actual health of your target or is it (5% actual health - armor)/2 heal?

The heal from the active effect will always be equal to 150 (+50% Total AD) - it is calculated before the effects of damage mitigation are considered.
Disregarding the active ability, to exceed damage gained by a fully stacked The Bloodthirster on a target, the target must have at least 1100 health. To deal more average damage to a target than a The Bloodthirster from full to no health, the target must have over 2200 health.
Your attacks deal 5% of the target's current health in physical damage and heals you for half the amount (120 max. vs. minions) - heals half the damage of the damage that is dealt

Bear in mind that people tend to spend more time at lower health than at higher health because up-front burst damage means people will generally lose a significant chunk of their HP up front from the first round of abilities, and then lose the remaining health over the rest of the fight.

With that in mind, it makes me wonder if Twitch would really like BOTRK, since his burst is reversed (finishing burst rather than up-front burst)

That said, people have over 2200 health a LOT, and if theyre at 3k, they're unlikely to be losing over 1k in the init burst of abilities, pushing up BOTRK's power.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 15 2013 15:40 GMT
#564
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 15 2013 15:42 GMT
#565
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.


How have you played for so long and still manage to have a "Oh, I can wait to buy stuff" mentality? I don't understand it.

But, for the record, if you like the Champ and their skin, the package is more or less equivalent to a sale.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
February 15 2013 15:47 GMT
#566
On February 15 2013 20:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Purge, you came out of nowhere but I like your posts.


Yay! Thank you.

Glad to see I am putting my LoL nerdiness to good work. TBH I should have been here posting alot earlier - this account has been open for years - but I came back to TL because of the amazing LoL tournament writeups they made. + Im lazy.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 15 2013 15:52 GMT
#567
On February 16 2013 00:39 sylverfyre wrote:
With that in mind, it makes me wonder if Twitch would really like BOTRK, since his burst is reversed (finishing burst rather than up-front burst)

That said, people have over 2200 health a LOT, and if theyre at 3k, they're unlikely to be losing over 1k in the init burst of abilities, pushing up BOTRK's power.

Well I mean, burst doesn't come primarily from the AD carry, regardless. It's more to do with the other 4 champs in the game than you.

That said, I already made note before that Twitch specifically is a pretty good BotRK candidate.
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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 15:52:40
February 15 2013 15:52 GMT
#568
Marmelade has a lower sugar content than jam.

Or if it was the other way around.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 15 2013 15:54 GMT
#569
On February 16 2013 00:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.


How have you played for so long and still manage to have a "Oh, I can wait to buy stuff" mentality? I don't understand it.

But, for the record, if you like the Champ and their skin, the package is more or less equivalent to a sale.


Sitting on 95K of IP and still stingy, npnpnp. I may be a tad miserly.

On February 16 2013 00:47 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Purge, you came out of nowhere but I like your posts.


Yay! Thank you.

Glad to see I am putting my LoL nerdiness to good work. TBH I should have been here posting alot earlier - this account has been open for years - but I came back to TL because of the amazing LoL tournament writeups they made. + Im lazy.

Cheers





And please stop it with the jam/marmalade talk. It's run its course. ty
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 15 2013 15:56 GMT
#570
On February 16 2013 00:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.


How have you played for so long and still manage to have a "Oh, I can wait to buy stuff" mentality? I don't understand it.

But, for the record, if you like the Champ and their skin, the package is more or less equivalent to a sale.


Sitting on 95K of IP and still stingy, npnpnp. I may be a tad miserly.


O_O

I hate to bring another picture into this thread, but + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
much?

I WISH I HAD THAT MUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCH.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 15 2013 15:57 GMT
#571
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.

Depends on the skin. I got Full Metal Jayce thinking it'd be awesome, but it kinda sucks. Mecha Kha'Zix is super awesome and worth the money (though I barely play him).

While a lot of people think the fire themed skins are annoying, I think Phoenix Quinn and Valor looks pretty sweet as a release skin.
It's your boy Guzma!
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
February 15 2013 16:02 GMT
#572
On February 15 2013 20:46 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 15:21 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait. These defense stats for Quinn:

Health:475(+85 per level)
Mana:245(+35 per level)
Movement Speed:335
Armor:17(+3.5 per level)
Magic Resist:30

Comparably:

Amumu has 472 (+84) health and 18 (+3.3) armor
Graves has 410 (+84) health and 15 (+3.2) armor
Zed has 445 (+85) health and 17.5 (+3.5) armor

You're reading the stats for level 1 Quinn compared to level "0" Amumu/Graves/Zed I think. The wiki has them at level 0 but the datamining gets them at level 1.

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 19:01 Ezkaton wrote:
Hey guys, how has everyone been building Syndra?? I've recently picked her up and I'm seriously loving her. I've tried a few different builds and I haven't found one that i like really. Does muramana still proc from every orb in her ulti?
Also with her in teamfights whats the best way to play her? I've just been trying to blow up the squishiest champ with my ult then just using q and w for damage, but im still kinda clueless haha, mid is probably my weakest lane by far so any advice is appreciated

I like Tear on her now for the mana needs, with the reduced cost and how fast Syndra stacks it you reach a comfort zone where even without blue you can lane and spam forever pretty quickly. I've been liking to get DFG (or at least the codex) for the CDR since stacking tear and grail seems like overkill, but I'm probably doing it wrong. Haven't played enough of her s3.

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On February 15 2013 17:56 Purge wrote:
considering the new liandrys, I'm wondering if it's now a decent pick on orianna. full dmg on her q and r, double dmg on her w and regarding her low cooldowns, you can get that proc very often.


It would make sense, but It doesnt give mana/mana regen/cdr, so probably not more than a third item. Or along with a tear.

Honestly the champs with the most potential with that item are like Singed and Swain. Full dot on everything in Swains kit? Looks completely stupid on paper.

I can't check it right now, maybe I'll be able to do it this evening, but apparently once you triggered Liandry, as long as you only refresh it (rather than trigger it again on this target after it has expired) it does the same amount of damage rather than recalculate its ticks on the target's current HP when your "refreshing" spell hits?
If it's true, that shit's completely OP.

Also Brand. Too bad he's a burst mage.


The issue with that syndra build is that you are really, really squishy. Its really glass cannon-y and you run the risk of just getting focused and blown up (which is why Im sure l1nk runs the build he does). Also, my issue with DFG is that you next to never get a chance to use it lategame the way you want to. So If your not getting it really early (dependent on farm, etc) you just wont be able to do anything.

Just my 2 cents though, take it for what you will.

Also, On liandries- The only concrete facts that Ive been able to find on it are:
- that it calculates % based on the remaining health after your spell does damage. If thats the case, then I assume that its recalculated after every tick of damage.
- That the burn is a series of .5 second procs doesnt start until .5 seconds after the spell is cast. Not sure how that Interaction works with DoTs though.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:06:09
February 15 2013 16:05 GMT
#573
On February 15 2013 23:36 Crownlol wrote:
So I was laning against Caitlyn/Nidalee just now... Simulation


Your first time? Oooooh. We have all been there. Gayest thing since karthus before he got chain nerfed like he deserved (Why did he have armorshred again?). Mind you not op. Just extremely bitchy.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:08:03
February 15 2013 16:07 GMT
#574
On February 16 2013 00:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.


How have you played for so long and still manage to have a "Oh, I can wait to buy stuff" mentality? I don't understand it.

But, for the record, if you like the Champ and their skin, the package is more or less equivalent to a sale.


I play so much that Ill have enough IP for them in like 1&1/2-2 weeks. So no rush.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:10:19
February 15 2013 16:10 GMT
#575
So, I have a problem.

When I'm playing Kennen and going into teamfights, I can't not alt tab and turn this on
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:11:49
February 15 2013 16:11 GMT
#576
On February 16 2013 01:10 Ketara wrote:
So, I have a problem.

When I'm playing Kennen and going into teamfights, I can't not alt tab and turn this on
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TsE01qdy5A


How is that a problem? =P Macro it to your keyboard if you're distracted npnp.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 15 2013 16:11 GMT
#577
On February 16 2013 00:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:39 sylverfyre wrote:
With that in mind, it makes me wonder if Twitch would really like BOTRK, since his burst is reversed (finishing burst rather than up-front burst)

That said, people have over 2200 health a LOT, and if theyre at 3k, they're unlikely to be losing over 1k in the init burst of abilities, pushing up BOTRK's power.

Well I mean, burst doesn't come primarily from the AD carry, regardless. It's more to do with the other 4 champs in the game than you.

That said, I already made note before that Twitch specifically is a pretty good BotRK candidate.

What I'm going for is that BotrK is a lategame item, which is sometimes better than a BT. I would never see myself building it as 1st/2nd damage item like a BT. So if for some reason, I don't build BT, but I end up with a vamp scepter in my inventory and I hit my 5th/6th item, I can check the enemy team comp and go... Hmmm everbody has 3K health at least. Lets go botrk.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
February 15 2013 16:12 GMT
#578
On February 16 2013 00:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
Are the new champ packages worth it? I can't imagine spending on RP on anything but on sale skins. @_@

oh, and rune pages.


Who buys runepages for RP? All of my extra ones have been from recruit-a-friend and ip
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 15 2013 16:16 GMT
#579
The first time I spent money on this game was to buy the runepage bundle.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 15 2013 16:19 GMT
#580
On February 16 2013 01:11 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:52 TheYango wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:39 sylverfyre wrote:
With that in mind, it makes me wonder if Twitch would really like BOTRK, since his burst is reversed (finishing burst rather than up-front burst)

That said, people have over 2200 health a LOT, and if theyre at 3k, they're unlikely to be losing over 1k in the init burst of abilities, pushing up BOTRK's power.

Well I mean, burst doesn't come primarily from the AD carry, regardless. It's more to do with the other 4 champs in the game than you.

That said, I already made note before that Twitch specifically is a pretty good BotRK candidate.

What I'm going for is that BotrK is a lategame item, which is sometimes better than a BT. I would never see myself building it as 1st/2nd damage item like a BT. So if for some reason, I don't build BT, but I end up with a vamp scepter in my inventory and I hit my 5th/6th item, I can check the enemy team comp and go... Hmmm everbody has 3K health at least. Lets go botrk.

The item is actually better early now than it is later. This is for two reasons: 1) Warmogs' popularity means that typically many players are buying their HP first and their resists later, and 2) later on the increased effectiveness of the BotRK proc doesn't actually outweigh the fact that it can't crit.

The RoG link posted shows this pretty clearly. The scenarios where BotRK is better than the alternatives are most pronounced at the point of 2 damage items. At 3-4 damage items, it's actually not that amazing.
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