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On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die. Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help. I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve. Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live? The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.
He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.
Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.
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I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.
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On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.
She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?
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On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die. Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help. I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve. Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live? The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm. He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc. Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.
Wait wait wait. BotRK is getting a 30% AS added to it?
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On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much. She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?
Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!
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Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.
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On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die. Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help. I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve. Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live? The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm. He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc. Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.
What about MF though? Her ult changes teamfights at pretty much any level but ESPECIALLY midgame (except like... when she's NOT QUITE level 11) if her team can give her a good setup. She'll have at least a BF sword if not a BT by then, seems really strong midgame. I'm not sure why she dropped off after her dominance in early S3.
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On February 27 2013 14:26 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much. She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she? Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!
I end up putting 9 in utility when I ashe, which feels a bit silly >_>
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Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.
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Should just play cash ashe.
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On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.
Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?
On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.
I wish.
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On February 27 2013 14:27 sylverfyre wrote:
Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.
I still like [Patch 3.03: Valor]
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[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.
idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.
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On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder] Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana. idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.
I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc
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So AP Tyrn. I know this shit is getting nerfed next patch... but for the love of god abuse him while you can and get free elo. I have never had more fun playing a champion that is both OP, easy to play, incredibly easy to make plays, and just so troll in my life. Spin to clear waves in 1sec, attack faster than your ADC and be un-targettable in teamfights while spinning for massive dmg all over their team.
Shits so broken I wished I didn't find this at the beginning of S3.
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On February 27 2013 15:48 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder] On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana. idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem. I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc
It's not as bad as I think many people treat it but no it's not good. However, when the enemy jungler,mid, and top all want to kill you being able to ult them away, jump away and still have flash is a far better alternative to dieing I've found.
As far as leveling, I like opening jump then maxing explosive shot till you pick up buster shot and at seven starting the Q max. Explosive shot's buff of being increased range to equal her passive is in my opinion pretty good. It works for me at least. Then again I am terrible and I am sure several folks can tear into me about it if they disagree ^^
Also items like blade of the ruined king help her out I've found when dived.
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On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana. Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E? I wish.
why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.
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200 CS with a 0 threat build. What exactly is the enemy team doing during all of this?
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On February 27 2013 16:07 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana. Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E? On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe. I wish. why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.
How do you propose you get 180-200 CS when you can neither punish the support OR the AD for attacking you past like level 3 with E max. Generally on Ashe when you lose lane, especially if your volley does minimally more damage than an auto, as well as applying a pitiful slow, you lose very, very hard because she has to have items to deal damage. At that point, if you go avarice first, unless you always roll crit, you'll lose every trade, and the supports will zone the shit out of you because you do zero damage with volley, as well as having it on a ridiculously long CD.
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