• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:33
CEST 02:33
KST 09:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver Syncronization issues and can't find games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Why Protoss Struggles on ASL (Ft. Shuttle, Tulbo)
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group C KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6483 users

[Patch 3.02: Fake Quinn] General Discussion - Page 152

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 170 Next
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
February 27 2013 04:59 GMT
#3021
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 05:00 GMT
#3022
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 27 2013 05:07 GMT
#3023
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 27 2013 05:21 GMT
#3024
On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.


Wait wait wait. BotRK is getting a 30% AS added to it?
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 05:26 GMT
#3025
On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?


Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!
Freeeeeeedom
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 27 2013 05:27 GMT
#3026
Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 05:29:25
February 27 2013 05:28 GMT
#3027
On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.

What about MF though? Her ult changes teamfights at pretty much any level but ESPECIALLY midgame (except like... when she's NOT QUITE level 11) if her team can give her a good setup. She'll have at least a BF sword if not a BT by then, seems really strong midgame. I'm not sure why she dropped off after her dominance in early S3.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
February 27 2013 05:28 GMT
#3028
On February 27 2013 14:26 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?


Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!

I end up putting 9 in utility when I ashe, which feels a bit silly >_>
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 05:34:39
February 27 2013 05:31 GMT
#3029
Hm. That makes me want to try this mastery build on Ashe. It's kinda wonky, but seems pretty good. (Could get max hp instead, obviously, but the general idea is Crit masteries in offense, mana and summoner CD in utility, everything else in defense. I guess 21/2/7 could work too. Not sure how valuable those few points in defense - normally when I limit myself to 17 offense, it's in favor of Block, which is amazing esp. vs Caitlyn or Ezreal.)

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-0-2-2-4-0-1-2-1-0-2-2-0-0-1-0-0-0&tree2=1-3-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=1-0-3-0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 27 2013 05:58 GMT
#3030
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 27 2013 06:01 GMT
#3031
Should just play cash ashe.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 06:28 GMT
#3032
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 27 2013 06:31 GMT
#3033
On February 27 2013 14:27 sylverfyre wrote:
Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.

I still like [Patch 3.03: Valor]
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
February 27 2013 06:47 GMT
#3034
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 27 2013 06:48 GMT
#3035
On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.

I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 27 2013 06:58 GMT
#3036
So AP Tyrn. I know this shit is getting nerfed next patch... but for the love of god abuse him while you can and get free elo. I have never had more fun playing a champion that is both OP, easy to play, incredibly easy to make plays, and just so troll in my life. Spin to clear waves in 1sec, attack faster than your ADC and be un-targettable in teamfights while spinning for massive dmg all over their team.

Shits so broken I wished I didn't find this at the beginning of S3.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 07:10:11
February 27 2013 07:04 GMT
#3037
On February 27 2013 15:48 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.

I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc


It's not as bad as I think many people treat it but no it's not good. However, when the enemy jungler,mid, and top all want to kill you being able to ult them away, jump away and still have flash is a far better alternative to dieing I've found.

As far as leveling, I like opening jump then maxing explosive shot till you pick up buster shot and at seven starting the Q max. Explosive shot's buff of being increased range to equal her passive is in my opinion pretty good. It works for me at least. Then again I am terrible and I am sure several folks can tear into me about it if they disagree ^^

Also items like blade of the ruined king help her out I've found when dived.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 27 2013 07:07 GMT
#3038
On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.


why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
February 27 2013 07:13 GMT
#3039
200 CS with a 0 threat build. What exactly is the enemy team doing during all of this?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 27 2013 07:17 GMT
#3040
On February 27 2013 16:07 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.


why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.


How do you propose you get 180-200 CS when you can neither punish the support OR the AD for attacking you past like level 3 with E max. Generally on Ashe when you lose lane, especially if your volley does minimally more damage than an auto, as well as applying a pitiful slow, you lose very, very hard because she has to have items to deal damage. At that point, if you go avarice first, unless you always roll crit, you'll lose every trade, and the supports will zone the shit out of you because you do zero damage with volley, as well as having it on a ridiculously long CD.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 170 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSTL: Wild Card
CranKy Ducklings56
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1748
GuemChi 1423
Artosis 558
MaD[AoV]23
Dota 2
monkeys_forever426
NeuroSwarm193
League of Legends
Doublelift4104
JimRising 446
Counter-Strike
minikerr13
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1517
Mew2King211
Other Games
summit1g10411
C9.Mang0377
Livibee219
PiGStarcraft177
XaKoH 157
ViBE92
Maynarde64
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1988
BasetradeTV30
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 120
• davetesta9
• Letter141
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
10h 27m
Cure vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
OSC
21h 27m
Replay Cast
23h 27m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
3 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.