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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14023 Posts
February 27 2013 04:59 GMT
#3021
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 05:00 GMT
#3022
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 27 2013 05:07 GMT
#3023
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
February 27 2013 05:21 GMT
#3024
On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.


Wait wait wait. BotRK is getting a 30% AS added to it?
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 05:26 GMT
#3025
On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?


Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!
Freeeeeeedom
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 27 2013 05:27 GMT
#3026
Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 05:29:25
February 27 2013 05:28 GMT
#3027
On February 27 2013 13:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote:
Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die.


Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help.

I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve.


Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live?


The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm.

He's refering to the 30%as that bortk has on the pbe right now and should be going in the next patch on the 28th when maintinence was annouced today. Not sure on the change as patch notes arnt out yet ofc.

Adcs now have a really weak mid game for a strong early and late game. So champs are being picked up that have a super charged mid game to throw off the adc. Garen vi hec j4 still can't touch a 6 item adc tho.

What about MF though? Her ult changes teamfights at pretty much any level but ESPECIALLY midgame (except like... when she's NOT QUITE level 11) if her team can give her a good setup. She'll have at least a BF sword if not a BT by then, seems really strong midgame. I'm not sure why she dropped off after her dominance in early S3.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
February 27 2013 05:28 GMT
#3028
On February 27 2013 14:26 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:07 thenexusp wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:00 cLutZ wrote:
I think Ashe needs a utility buff. Plus ECA's mana cost needs to go down. Just played her and I felt the legacy mana costs so much.

She's getting an AS/level buff isn't she?


Yea, thats a decent damage buff, but the ult cost sucks because half the time when you hit 6 you dont have the mana for volley + ult, so you lose the lvl 6 engages anyways!

I end up putting 9 in utility when I ashe, which feels a bit silly >_>
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 05:34:39
February 27 2013 05:31 GMT
#3029
Hm. That makes me want to try this mastery build on Ashe. It's kinda wonky, but seems pretty good. (Could get max hp instead, obviously, but the general idea is Crit masteries in offense, mana and summoner CD in utility, everything else in defense. I guess 21/2/7 could work too. Not sure how valuable those few points in defense - normally when I limit myself to 17 offense, it's in favor of Block, which is amazing esp. vs Caitlyn or Ezreal.)

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-0-2-2-4-0-1-2-1-0-2-2-0-0-1-0-0-0&tree2=1-3-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=1-0-3-0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 27 2013 05:58 GMT
#3030
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 27 2013 06:01 GMT
#3031
Should just play cash ashe.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2013 06:28 GMT
#3032
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
February 27 2013 06:31 GMT
#3033
On February 27 2013 14:27 sylverfyre wrote:
Going to be amused when Neo is forced to make this next GD thread [Patch 3.03: Quinn, no seriously this time] or something.

I still like [Patch 3.03: Valor]
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
February 27 2013 06:47 GMT
#3034
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 27 2013 06:48 GMT
#3035
On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.

I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
February 27 2013 06:58 GMT
#3036
So AP Tyrn. I know this shit is getting nerfed next patch... but for the love of god abuse him while you can and get free elo. I have never had more fun playing a champion that is both OP, easy to play, incredibly easy to make plays, and just so troll in my life. Spin to clear waves in 1sec, attack faster than your ADC and be un-targettable in teamfights while spinning for massive dmg all over their team.

Shits so broken I wished I didn't find this at the beginning of S3.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 07:10:11
February 27 2013 07:04 GMT
#3037
On February 27 2013 15:48 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:47 Flakes wrote:
[Patch 3.03: Quinn harder]

On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.

idk if Trist is the right solution to the midgame weakness problem.

I was always under the impression that Tristana has one of the weakest midgames out of all the adc


It's not as bad as I think many people treat it but no it's not good. However, when the enemy jungler,mid, and top all want to kill you being able to ult them away, jump away and still have flash is a far better alternative to dieing I've found.

As far as leveling, I like opening jump then maxing explosive shot till you pick up buster shot and at seven starting the Q max. Explosive shot's buff of being increased range to equal her passive is in my opinion pretty good. It works for me at least. Then again I am terrible and I am sure several folks can tear into me about it if they disagree ^^

Also items like blade of the ruined king help her out I've found when dived.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 27 2013 07:07 GMT
#3038
On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.


why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17254 Posts
February 27 2013 07:13 GMT
#3039
200 CS with a 0 threat build. What exactly is the enemy team doing during all of this?
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 27 2013 07:17 GMT
#3040
On February 27 2013 16:07 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:58 Parnage wrote:
Tristana is the solution to AD carry woes. I am terrible at adc, but even I can get out of dive heavy guys with tristana.


Hmmm. WEWQ R>W>Q>E?

On February 27 2013 15:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Should just play cash ashe.


I wish.


why wish when you can? Seriously rushing Avarice blade on her is so retarded when you max e first. If you skip Shiv for PD and you get 180-200 CS at the 25-28 minute mark. You end up with an extra 2k+ gold which pays for the blade and gives you extra for another BF or starting your LW. And it doesnt matter if you lose lane early, you come back so fast because of the passive gold it's like you werent behind in the first place. The math is +7 gold per minion with full E and avarice. That a 1/3 ranged creep every CS. That's not even including the fact you might have a TF on your team.


How do you propose you get 180-200 CS when you can neither punish the support OR the AD for attacking you past like level 3 with E max. Generally on Ashe when you lose lane, especially if your volley does minimally more damage than an auto, as well as applying a pitiful slow, you lose very, very hard because she has to have items to deal damage. At that point, if you go avarice first, unless you always roll crit, you'll lose every trade, and the supports will zone the shit out of you because you do zero damage with volley, as well as having it on a ridiculously long CD.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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