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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
People just need to accept that the focus has gone from who can protect their carry longer to who can kill their carry faster because people decided its what we are going to do when we draft. I have never had an easier time carrying my team than as ADC now that you just need mechanics to win teamfights rather than teamwork. I don't even poke at towers anymore with all the initiate, the only alternative to ranged+sup is early game bruisers with cc akin towards lee sin, Xin and j4 | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:20 obesechicken13 wrote: ADC is still pretty easy. Damage got nerfed but so did tankiness, and in S2 all AP items got nerfed. About the only thing that didn't get nerfed with items changes are melee AD champs like Zed, Talon, Rengar, Jayce. Still, I may die sometimes without getting my damage off, but usually your enemy team doesn't have an Akali and Rengar waiting on the sidelines for you to show yourself. Damage got nerfed A LOT though for ad's. Through midgame that I just played, I couldn't do shit to this jarvan who had built a randuins. My attack speed went to complete shit until I finished my LW Edit My attack speed AND my damage | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 27 2013 11:47 Ryuu314 wrote: To be completely honest, AD carries becoming worse and *possibly rotating out (which I personally don't think will happen) is imo a good thing. I see no good reason why teams have to be forced to run an AD carry to be competitive. If double bruiser or more AP carries are viable alternatives, why not? I don't think it is. Having a high consistent damage in the meta puts time limits on the game, since won fights end the game. Similarly having high consistent damage options stop the optimal build paths from converging towards tanky/dps. I.E. lets see which team has the best combination of tank and DPS instead of lets see which team team fights better. Edit: I mean sure you could have your consistent damage options be AP carries but that wouldn't do anything except change the consistent damage option from armor defense to magic defense, you don't actually gain anything in the meta. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:49 Sermokala wrote: How would getting an LW help your attack speed at all? Whoops meant my damage and my attack speed. What I meant was that the jarvan took forever to kill till that LW | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:20 obesechicken13 wrote: ADC is still pretty easy. Damage got nerfed but so did tankiness, and in S2 all AP items got nerfed. About the only thing that didn't get nerfed with items changes are melee AD champs like Zed, Talon, Rengar, Jayce. Still, I may die sometimes without getting my damage off, but usually your enemy team doesn't have an Akali and Rengar waiting on the sidelines for you to show yourself. What game have you been playing these last few months | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:05 Nos- wrote: What game have you been playing these last few months low elo ones  | ||
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:13 Sermokala wrote: Its not even akali or rengar anymore. Any of the new super gapcloser junglers or god forbid hecarim or garen come out of the woodwork the second your out of position and you know that you're already fucked and gona die. Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:19 zodde wrote: Garen is so good at this. Midgame, an ADCs barely scratch garen, but he kills them in like 4 seconds. Hate that guy. His W is getting nerfed though, so i guess that will help. I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:25 Sermokala wrote: I've decided to just go stright bortk omen whenever I see garen in games. not too much longer until bortk gives as too for a good 1 item power curve. Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live? | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:43 zodde wrote: Gotta try that. Anyone knows when the botrk change is supposed to go live? The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:46 IMoperator wrote: I (was) an adc main, and it's really ridiculous right now for adc's. I feel like I have to dance around in the back of the fight and hope that my opponents blow all their cooldowns on my front line before I can do anything. It's retarded how easy it is to dive an adc too. Xin, Garen, J4, Vi and Hec can all just straight up destroy you before you can do anything. And this isnt including mids like akali/diana or leona. There is literally so much fucking CC they throw at you, you can't do anything. Not to mention unless you get ridiculously fed, you're going to do shit for damage too. A warmogs and warden's mail on a bruiser (about 4k gold) will get rid of any damage an adc is doing midgame, guaranteed. Comparatively, a bloodthirster and zeal cost more than that AND you won't be able to do anything because you have no armor pen. This game is completely bullshit for adc's right now. I wouldn't go that far, it's a bit frustrating to play ads right now and you require more peel than S2 I guess but ads still pose a very high damage threat mid-late game. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:51 Nos- wrote: I wouldn't go that far, it's a bit frustrating to play ads right now and you require more peel than S2 I guess but ads still pose a very high damage threat mid-late game. Eh, mid game not really anymore. Your 200 damage crits aren't going to do anything to a guy with 3k+ health while he's diving your face. Most games I play are won/lost by ~20 minute mark, Idk if this is exclusive to silver league, but most of the time you can tell who is winning by that point so it's really hard to get your full build to actually do your damage. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:48 Zooper31 wrote: The 5% change is live now. It's fully buffed atm. I know that, I was talking about the version with attack speed. | ||
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