EPTOn February 24 2013 08:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Lion means 98% here, right?
Elephant or whale may be more apt here.
Lion means 98% here, right?
Elephant or whale may be more apt here.
Don't you get Elly involved in this.
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Don't you get Elly involved in this. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
AD carries were always relatively weak midgame while being monsters late. With the recent trend of fast tower pushing, there's much less room for AD carries to just farm to that 4~5+ item build where they shred everything. On top of that, the #1 damage output combo of items always has been and still is IE+PD+LW. However, pretty much every single AD carry nowadays is going BT+Shiv+LW, which is mathematically just less damage. As a result, AD carries simply aren't getting that IE until their fourth or fifth item, really late in the game. Add together both those factors and AD carries will obviously feel weaker. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:18 HazMat wrote: Hey guys, I have a plan for an upcoming video which I want your help with. Pretty much I want to make a video with a short 10-15 second clip of an "advanced" trick or tip for every champion. When I say advanced it just has to be something you pick up after some games of playing the champ. For example: On Jayce you can put down his gate while the missile is in the air and it will still get the bonus damage but it will be harder to dodge because people are more used to seeing the gate be put down first. Or on Anivia you can E and then R while it's in the air, or you can use wall to knock people into your Q. Stuff like that. If you could pm me with any of these kind of tips for any heroes then I'll love you long time <3 Actually, we might as well make a thread out of this. Is that cool neo? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:12 TheYango wrote: To be fair, SYDTKO wasn't as bad as people made him out to be. He had some strange ideas but many of them were quite sound when it came down to it (most amusing was when Hotshot challenged SYDTKO's idea that Mordekaiser crushes pure 1v1, and played 20+ 1v1s as Nidalee and could not even come close to winning a single one). His fundamentals as a player were far more questionable (bad decision making, poorer mechanics, etc.), but as with Dan Dinh, I think people do a poor job of separating the quality of someone's play from the soundness of their ideas. Just because something is executed poorly doesn't means it won't be successful in the hands of a better player. SYDTKO was playing jungle Maokai weeks before Oddone picked it up and made it a common thing by playing it in a tournament. It's just that, well, SYDTKO is a far worse jungler than Oddone is so it didn't really look all that good when he played it. But the idea was sound, and Maokai became a very popular jungler not long after. Sorry for the double post (I'm on my phone) but that statement is very interesting to see coming from you, Yango, given the shitstorm that took place regarding TROLLS lately. I agree with you completely. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:23 HazMat wrote: Actually, we might as well make a thread out of this. Is that cool neo? Good idea imo. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:06 overt wrote: Yeah don't get me wrong he says some really stupid shit. Let's not forget that this is the guy who used to look up to SYDTKO for theorycraft advice. But he's had one bad week of games so this idea of him not being able to adapt to the "meta" seems pretty stupid. Especially since I think most pro AD carries would share similar concerns of Randuin's being stupid right now and it being kind of lame that Riot nerfed almost every AD item in the game. After over a year Doublelift is still that one really dumb kid who's really good at LoL. To be fair Alex Ich looks up DIFF for Liandry's math... | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:23 HazMat wrote: Actually, we might as well make a thread out of this. Is that cool neo? Go for it. Put it in Strat. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for the double post (I'm on my phone) but that statement is very interesting to see coming from you, Yango, given the shitstorm that took place regarding TROLLS lately. I agree with you completely. Why are we even talking about SYDTKO? he is already out of the scene for more than a year... plz move on. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for the double post (I'm on my phone) but that statement is very interesting to see coming from you, Yango, given the shitstorm that took place regarding TROLLS lately. I agree with you completely. I mean, I understand the other side of the argument. If you don't play at the highest level, then your view of the game is probably not 100% congruent with how the game plays at the highest level (because the players you play with make mistakes/have different thought process than those that are better), which means that the assumptions you make developing ideas at your level of play are not going to hold in the long run. But in the case of SYDTKO and Dan, they've been playing since beta--they've played with and around all the players who became good over that period of time, and so they've had exposure to their thought process and how things are "supposed" to play out. It's obviously not perfect, but I think it allows them a degree of understanding of the game that is valuable in a significant way, even if they can't necessarily emulate the play of those better players. On February 24 2013 08:29 ExoFun wrote: Why are we even talking about SYDTKO? he is already out of the scene for more than a year... plz move on. Because he's an example case that's relevant to the more general discussion recently of "how valuable are theories/ideas raised by players who haven't mastered their execution/level of play?" SYDTKO was the poster child of a player who had lots of ideas but had comparatively poor execution. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:20 Ryuu314 wrote: TBH i feel like the whole ADCs feeling like they do less damage is more a result of the current meta than actual changes in power curves. AD carries were always relatively weak midgame while being monsters late. With the recent trend of fast tower pushing, there's much less room for AD carries to just farm to that 4~5+ item build where they shred everything. On top of that, the #1 damage output combo of items always has been and still is IE+PD+LW. However, pretty much every single AD carry nowadays is going BT+Shiv+LW, which is mathematically just less damage. As a result, AD carries simply aren't getting that IE until their fourth or fifth item, really late in the game. Add together both those factors and AD carries will obviously feel weaker. Well, DLIFT said the item changes wouldnt change anything.... | ||
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Sufficiency
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:47 cLutZ wrote: Well, DLIFT said the item changes wouldnt change anything.... I think he was talking about ADCs and he was pretty much right about that. Sure, sometimes you get Shiv instead of PD and BC on MF was a thing but when it comes down to it the only thing that really changed is BT became more popular than IE, but I think that's justified because of how vamp scepter works and how much cheaper it is to build a BT than it is to build an IE. Timing windows are very important and sitting on a BF + Pickaxe against someone with a BT that's already stacking is a hard call to make. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:51 Sufficiency wrote: Not sure if it's my eyes deceiving me, but I BELIEVE Liandry's passive procs Spirit of the Elder Lizard. Holy shit new Kayle build inc | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
OK my bad. I don't think what I saw was true - it also procs on autoattacks. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
On February 24 2013 08:55 Sufficiency wrote: OK my bad. I don't think what I saw was true - it also procs on autoattacks. It hits on Nautilus's E. Not sure how much damage it does. But the thing has everything that Nautilus needs. I couldn't figure out if it worked on his W shield passive. Probably not. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=2923 all solo lanes are manaless champions, and in every game i've watched today (only 2 games, to be fair) every champion that was not manaless (kog, ori, jayce) had to start tear. having mana is a handicap in this game, manaless champs are just better laners regardless of anything | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 24 2013 09:14 onlywonderboy wrote: Was playing a game and losing, wanted to surrender, vote failed, said "lol k" in chat, college internet fails and it looks like I left because I was mad the vote didn't pass, my life is a joke. Not qq just an interesting story lol. Ask someone to log for you. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 24 2013 09:14 gtrsrs wrote: just to prove a point i was making earlier http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=2923 all solo lanes are manaless champions, and in every game i've watched today (only 2 games, to be fair) every champion that was not manaless (kog, ori, jayce) had to start tear. having mana is a handicap in this game, manaless champs are just better laners regardless of anything For top lane, I agree. But there are very few good manaless mid laners right now beside (imo) Katarina and Lee Sin. | ||
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