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On February 22 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 03:33 Nobu wrote:
hey guys, I'm not posting too much here but this whole TL team made me think about if TLIH would be possible in LoL. Inhouses in dota2 were really funny despite the skill disparity between players, so I don't think thats an issue. My biggest concern would be region restriction since it could be really hard to get 10 people in a custom game but who knows. Thoughts on that? We used to have inhouses on EUW few months back, but generally I don't think people think it's worth it. Its main purpose back then was lenghtening your e-peen anyway, and people who lost had the tendency to get mad, which while fun, is not a very stable environment. Usually people just DuoQ now.
Back before the split of EUNE and EUW we used to have the most epic inhouses - but I think that was attributed to people not caring AS much about E-peen (obviously it was still a big thing) and the skill level being in general lower than it is now - except for Devil who just trolled and stomped.
Edit: Now whenever we play inhouses 5 people are trolling, 4 people are tryharding and 1 guy is dc while all 10 people are frustrated - it just doesn't seem worth it.
It would probably be a lot of fun if the better players took lead and everyone was tryharding (which actually seems to be the case in most DotA inhouses with mature people) - and it would be a learning experience for a lot of people.
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On February 22 2013 04:44 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On February 22 2013 03:33 Nobu wrote:
hey guys, I'm not posting too much here but this whole TL team made me think about if TLIH would be possible in LoL. Inhouses in dota2 were really funny despite the skill disparity between players, so I don't think thats an issue. My biggest concern would be region restriction since it could be really hard to get 10 people in a custom game but who knows. Thoughts on that? We used to have inhouses on EUW few months back, but generally I don't think people think it's worth it. Its main purpose back then was lenghtening your e-peen anyway, and people who lost had the tendency to get mad, which while fun, is not a very stable environment. Usually people just DuoQ now. Back before the split of EUNE and EUW we used to have the most epic inhouses - but I think that was attributed to people not caring AS much about E-peen (obviously it was still a big thing) and the skill level being in general lower than it is now - except for Devil who just trolled and stomped. Edit: Now whenever we play inhouses 5 people are trolling, 4 people are tryharding and 1 guy is dc while all 10 people are frustrated - it just doesn't seem worth it. It would probably be a lot of fun if the better players took lead and everyone was tryharding (which actually seems to be the case in most DotA inhouses with mature people) - and it would be a learning experience for a lot of people.
Well, if there is too much level disparities between player, everything will just end up as a bad experience for everyone. It was most likely "epic" in the beginning of lol because, since the game was young, everybody just played bad.
I'll gladly tryhard with any TLer, but I don't need to get lectured everytime I get my ass stomped by a plat / diamond.
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LP NA no moar IH.
RIP MILO.
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On February 22 2013 04:31 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:31 kainzero wrote:
liquidpractice on NA seems fairly dead, the only people making premades are auswahlaxiom and swim, but it's always fun to play in them when i do get in.
not enough people talk, too many people just lurk =\
IHs are rare, usually happens when somebody already has a group of people and they match up against the premade.
i remember milo because someone wanted to scrim against his team even though he didn't have one, so he just got 4 of us in the channel and we destroyed them, lol. i think i ran cleanse sivir and i made all the dumb mistakes like hanging out in the front line for no reason.
omg i love cleanse sivir. i've pretty much lost all confidence in my adc except for cleanse sivir. A lot of people in TROLLS chatroom now, plenty of inhouses on fridays.
i played in last week's but generally the hours aren't good for me because i'm working, last friday i had no work. was really fun though.
the only other problem is that if you're looking to casually improve, TROLLS runs a lot of experimental stuff so you might not build the skillset you're looking for. it's not that i think experimental stuff is bad, but if you need to shore up your bot lane ad carry and you're going against double APs all the time, it takes a different skillset than say, going up against cait/nunu or whatever is popular nowadays.
having people like milo around to run IHs was really useful, i really think there are certain people that are very good at leading those kinds of things. it'd be nice if i was like that, unfortunately, i don't possess the charisma or the skill, lol.
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On February 22 2013 05:15 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:44 EquilasH wrote:On February 22 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On February 22 2013 03:33 Nobu wrote:
hey guys, I'm not posting too much here but this whole TL team made me think about if TLIH would be possible in LoL. Inhouses in dota2 were really funny despite the skill disparity between players, so I don't think thats an issue. My biggest concern would be region restriction since it could be really hard to get 10 people in a custom game but who knows. Thoughts on that? We used to have inhouses on EUW few months back, but generally I don't think people think it's worth it. Its main purpose back then was lenghtening your e-peen anyway, and people who lost had the tendency to get mad, which while fun, is not a very stable environment. Usually people just DuoQ now. Back before the split of EUNE and EUW we used to have the most epic inhouses - but I think that was attributed to people not caring AS much about E-peen (obviously it was still a big thing) and the skill level being in general lower than it is now - except for Devil who just trolled and stomped. Edit: Now whenever we play inhouses 5 people are trolling, 4 people are tryharding and 1 guy is dc while all 10 people are frustrated - it just doesn't seem worth it. It would probably be a lot of fun if the better players took lead and everyone was tryharding (which actually seems to be the case in most DotA inhouses with mature people) - and it would be a learning experience for a lot of people. Well, if there is too much level disparities between player, everything will just end up as a bad experience for everyone. It was most likely "epic" in the beginning of lol because, since the game was young, everybody just played bad. I'll gladly tryhard with any TLer, but I don't need to get lectured everytime I get my ass stomped by a plat / diamond.
I don't understand that feeling though. In dota inhouses we had really top tier guys, and really bad guys, and just by balancing out the teams, games were really fun. Good players build trolly and still stomped, or carried the game by theirselves by tryharding even with 4 terrible teamates, and as a bad player, at least for me, games were fun because of the nice attitude of everyone and the amount of stuff you could learn in a single game from this top tier guys. I can see games been awful if one team is really stacked (that happened from time to time and I can tell a lot of people were really annoyed by that) but otherwise everyone had a good time playing IH more so than in matchmaking games.
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Right now it's really hard to appropriately balance teams because rankings are still in a flux and don't show up in custom games. In fact, sometimes the client glitches and you don't even see win #s or levels.
A lot of the early T.R.O.L.L.S. tests were horrifically one-sided as a result of this and my unfamiliarity with the players involved.
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On February 22 2013 05:52 Seuss wrote:
Right now it's really hard to appropriately balance teams because rankings are still in a flux and don't show up in custom games. In fact, sometimes the client glitches and you don't even see win #s or levels.
A lot of the early T.R.O.L.L.S. tests were horrifically one-sided as a result of this and my unfamiliarity with the players involved.
I tried to balance that with feeding every game, but to no avail 
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There isn't as much IH lately because people are trying to grind their new leagues up. I think once people get bored of ranked solo queues, you'll see a lot more IH's.
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The only way inhouses work is if everyone tryhards because it's impossible to get everyone to trollhard - there's always a few people who are in it for the glory and everyone else gets frustrated.
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On February 21 2013 21:38 LaNague wrote:
normals have MMR too, if your normals are terrible, it has its reasons.
Question about this... I've only been playing normals so far, but I've noticed lately that pretty much every game, my allies are a mix of silver and gold rank players - does this mean my normal game elo is in the silver/gold range now? I at first thought that it was just people doing duos when I got silvers on my team, but now pretty much all my allies are either silver or gold every game. You guys that are in plat/diamond, when you search normals, are you usually matched against plat/diamond as well? And would you guys say that my normal game elo is an adequate barometer of where I would likely be if I played ranked? I at least wanted to get a 3rd rune page before I started ranked play, but it would also be good to know that I am somewhat improving in the process...
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On February 22 2013 05:15 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:44 EquilasH wrote:On February 22 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On February 22 2013 03:33 Nobu wrote:
hey guys, I'm not posting too much here but this whole TL team made me think about if TLIH would be possible in LoL. Inhouses in dota2 were really funny despite the skill disparity between players, so I don't think thats an issue. My biggest concern would be region restriction since it could be really hard to get 10 people in a custom game but who knows. Thoughts on that? We used to have inhouses on EUW few months back, but generally I don't think people think it's worth it. Its main purpose back then was lenghtening your e-peen anyway, and people who lost had the tendency to get mad, which while fun, is not a very stable environment. Usually people just DuoQ now. Back before the split of EUNE and EUW we used to have the most epic inhouses - but I think that was attributed to people not caring AS much about E-peen (obviously it was still a big thing) and the skill level being in general lower than it is now - except for Devil who just trolled and stomped. Edit: Now whenever we play inhouses 5 people are trolling, 4 people are tryharding and 1 guy is dc while all 10 people are frustrated - it just doesn't seem worth it. It would probably be a lot of fun if the better players took lead and everyone was tryharding (which actually seems to be the case in most DotA inhouses with mature people) - and it would be a learning experience for a lot of people. Well, if there is too much level disparities between player, everything will just end up as a bad experience for everyone. It was most likely "epic" in the beginning of lol because, since the game was young, everybody just played bad. I'll gladly tryhard with any TLer, but I don't need to get lectured everytime I get my ass stomped by a plat / diamond.
Yeah, and that's one of the problems (people's unwillingness to get lectured) - I think if some of the higher Elo players from EU LP would be up for helping lesser players and the lesser players would be willing to take criticism while everyone keeps a healthy attitude I feel like there could be some good inhouses on EU, but to get there from where the current state of inhouses are is a looong way and I doubt it's even possible.
Edit: Who are you in LP btw?
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On February 22 2013 06:06 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:15 WhiteDog wrote:On February 22 2013 04:44 EquilasH wrote:On February 22 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On February 22 2013 03:33 Nobu wrote:
hey guys, I'm not posting too much here but this whole TL team made me think about if TLIH would be possible in LoL. Inhouses in dota2 were really funny despite the skill disparity between players, so I don't think thats an issue. My biggest concern would be region restriction since it could be really hard to get 10 people in a custom game but who knows. Thoughts on that? We used to have inhouses on EUW few months back, but generally I don't think people think it's worth it. Its main purpose back then was lenghtening your e-peen anyway, and people who lost had the tendency to get mad, which while fun, is not a very stable environment. Usually people just DuoQ now. Back before the split of EUNE and EUW we used to have the most epic inhouses - but I think that was attributed to people not caring AS much about E-peen (obviously it was still a big thing) and the skill level being in general lower than it is now - except for Devil who just trolled and stomped. Edit: Now whenever we play inhouses 5 people are trolling, 4 people are tryharding and 1 guy is dc while all 10 people are frustrated - it just doesn't seem worth it. It would probably be a lot of fun if the better players took lead and everyone was tryharding (which actually seems to be the case in most DotA inhouses with mature people) - and it would be a learning experience for a lot of people. Well, if there is too much level disparities between player, everything will just end up as a bad experience for everyone. It was most likely "epic" in the beginning of lol because, since the game was young, everybody just played bad. I'll gladly tryhard with any TLer, but I don't need to get lectured everytime I get my ass stomped by a plat / diamond. Yeah, and that's one of the problems (people's unwillingness to get lectured) - I think if some of the higher Elo players from EU LP would be up for helping lesser players and the lesser players would be willing to take criticism while everyone keeps a healthy attitude I feel like there could be some good inhouses on EU, but to get there from where the current state of inhouses are is a looong way and I doubt it's even possible. Edit: Who are you in LP btw?
I rarely come to LP but I am in right now and played a game with some folks.
My aka is Arcads.
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Oh, I saw you earlier discussing boob sizes with HD 
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Roffles
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On February 22 2013 06:04 rhs408 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 21:38 LaNague wrote:
normals have MMR too, if your normals are terrible, it has its reasons. Question about this... I've only been playing normals so far, but I've noticed lately that pretty much every game, my allies are a mix of silver and gold rank players - does this mean my normal game elo is in the silver/gold range now? I at first thought that it was just people doing duos when I got silvers on my team, but now pretty much all my allies are either silver or gold every game. You guys that are in plat/diamond, when you search normals, are you usually matched against plat/diamond as well? And would you guys say that my normal game elo is an adequate barometer of where I would likely be if I played ranked? I at least wanted to get a 3rd rune page before I started ranked play, but it would also be good to know that I am somewhat improving in the process...
Lotta things factor in. Do you play with your friends? Do you only play premade norms? Lotta things that can differ from ranked to norms. I know a couple of my co-workers are like 1k elo norms but plat players because all they do is fuck around in norms with their bad friends. If you play with your friends, depending on how bad/good they are, it can also factor into how many games you win, how your norm elo changes. Getting carried by diamond players when you're actually 1300 will inflate your norm elo to plat/diamond range if you guys win a decent amount. If you only play with your 800 elo scrub friends and lose a lot, your norm elo will suffer too. And because of that, it's hard to tell how well you play by yourself in solo queue or at most queued with just one other friend.
That's why it's trolo queue. Huehuehue
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On February 22 2013 06:16 EquilasH wrote:Oh, I saw you earlier discussing boob sizes with HD
Yeah, existential discussion.
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On February 22 2013 06:04 rhs408 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 21:38 LaNague wrote:
normals have MMR too, if your normals are terrible, it has its reasons. Question about this... I've only been playing normals so far, but I've noticed lately that pretty much every game, my allies are a mix of silver and gold rank players - does this mean my normal game elo is in the silver/gold range now? I at first thought that it was just people doing duos when I got silvers on my team, but now pretty much all my allies are either silver or gold every game. You guys that are in plat/diamond, when you search normals, are you usually matched against plat/diamond as well? And would you guys say that my normal game elo is an adequate barometer of where I would likely be if I played ranked? I at least wanted to get a 3rd rune page before I started ranked play, but it would also be good to know that I am somewhat improving in the process...
it depends, before they used to try and match premade 5s with other premade 5s, premade 4s + 1 with other premade 4s+ 1 etc. but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore
yesterday it was me @ silver playing with 4 gold friends and in two matches we had a game with 1 challenger, 1 diamond, 2 silver, and 1 gold, next match was 3 plats, a bronze, and a gold.
i'm not sure if this means you will get matches against 5 plats when you have 4 diamond teammates though. i have no idea.
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On February 22 2013 06:04 rhs408 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 21:38 LaNague wrote:
normals have MMR too, if your normals are terrible, it has its reasons. Question about this... I've only been playing normals so far, but I've noticed lately that pretty much every game, my allies are a mix of silver and gold rank players - does this mean my normal game elo is in the silver/gold range now? I at first thought that it was just people doing duos when I got silvers on my team, but now pretty much all my allies are either silver or gold every game. You guys that are in plat/diamond, when you search normals, are you usually matched against plat/diamond as well? And would you guys say that my normal game elo is an adequate barometer of where I would likely be if I played ranked? I at least wanted to get a 3rd rune page before I started ranked play, but it would also be good to know that I am somewhat improving in the process...
I only play normals with friends, so maybe that's why, but I can't remember the last time I saw another plat border lol. I think my normal elo is a lot lower than my ranked.
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On February 22 2013 06:03 Chrispy wrote:
The only way inhouses work is if everyone tryhards because it's impossible to get everyone to trollhard - there's always a few people who are in it for the glory and everyone else gets frustrated.
Pretty much this.
Tryharding inhouses NEVER works simply because of skill differential.
Trollharding works much better because the good players can adequately gimp themselves to the levels of everyone else. Only you ALWAYS one dude who refuses to do that and makes the game unfun for everyone.
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Thanks for the responses guys, I should have mentioned that I've actually been rolling solo in my normal games aside from when I duo with my gf, who is very low elo. So there's definitely been no carrying going on.
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