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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:14 Numy wrote: You mean he doesn't have a persona that shouts things? Or is just really funny, like Aphro. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On February 05 2013 07:50 Parnage wrote: Eh how bad could it be *reads* Eh could be worse, and then as I read further and further into comments I feel myself wanting to hulk smash a bus. by page four I realized I was going to have to stop to deal with the sudden headache. Damnations.. DotA vs LoL vs SC2 discussions are some of the most terrible discussions on the internet. They have the potential to be very interesting, but the amount of bias fueled hate and elitism that gets dredged up is sickening and yes it's nearly exclusively from the SC2/DotA side of the debate. That thread was actually better than average. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Not everyone needs someone really funny or loud. Sometimes they just want to watch a chilled stream of a guy playing well that talks about what he is doing because they don't know themselves. Just different things for different people. Saying you can't believe or don't find a reason is rather simple minded. It assumes everyone has the exact same tastes. On February 05 2013 08:18 Amarok wrote: DotA vs LoL vs SC2 discussions are some of the most terrible discussions on the internet. They have the potential to be very interesting, but the amount of bias fueled hate and elitism that gets dredged up is sickening and yes it's nearly exclusively from the SC2/DotA side of the debate. That thread was actually better than average. It's from all sides. Saying otherwise is kind of hypocritical. People just don't want to invest time to learn about the games to have a real discussion and even if they do they aren't entering with an open mind. They enter the discussion in order to convince everyone else they right instead of entering it to find the truth. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:13 beefhamburger wrote: And by flair I meant some kind of personality thats shown, something special he brings to the table, like Scarra, Froggen, or any of the TSM members. Idk he just seems monotone to me, not as bad as Dyrus, and he explains things boringly, not as good as Scarra. From what I've seen of Froggen's stream, he pretty much never talks, at least not in the past few months. Voy does commentate well, and I agree not as enthusiastic or energetic as scarra, but his play is much flashier (and effective) than most streamers which is what a lot of viewers like. I see Voy as a mix between scarra and Froggen in terms of commentating and flashy skill. And he's also super nice. I only watch Froggen when he is duoing with Krepo. It tends to be a fun time in a childish-immature way. Good for some laughs. I can never catch yellowpete stream nowdays  He is my favourite by far.EDIT: Oh man, I do suck at editing. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:20 Numy wrote: Not everyone needs someone really funny or loud. Sometimes they just want to watch a chilled stream of a guy playing well that talks about what he is doing because they don't know themselves. Just different things for different people. Saying you can't believe or don't find a reason is rather simple minded. It assumes everyone has the exact same tastes. No it doesn't. Me saying I can't find a reason is exactly that, I myself, can't find a reason. I don't pretend to read others minds and I had no intention of saying others think like me or any of that matter. I was simply speaking for myself and didn't understand the massive numbers. I suppose new players would enjoy him. Straight basic stream with enough commentary to explain why he's doing things. When I watch streams I watch to be entertained, not to be taught. And usually that means finding a streamer thats good (obv) and finding a streaming that is either funny or really energetic and is entertaining themselves. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Personally I completly agree, he doesn't have at all what the other high profile streamer have (I mean OddOne, Aphromo, who are entertainer, or someone like Froggen who is regarded as one of the best player in league). | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Voyboy stream is quality, is because he fucking carries every game LIKE A MAN. He gets dem Akali resets, and then escapes and says "SEEEE YAAAA NERRDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSS" | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
What about solo queue? As of this moment Ezreal is sitting at a 48% winrate which makes him relatively even compared to every other AD carry. In fact I think he's slightly below average at the moment but whatever. The point being, for a long ass time Ezreal has been a safe "pretty good at everything but not the best at anything." Basically the only nerf that ever really mattered in my opinion was the nerf to his W because the AS debuff was incredibly stupid. But he's also been super popular. Because people like that champion and his design and always have (and always will). He also happens to be pretty easy and forgiving because of the way his E works and long range farming with Q (but I'd argue that someone like Trist is much better at keeping people off her than Ezreal). My real question is whether or not Riot is nerfing him because of his popularity or because of his strength during pick/ban stage since you can first pick him with no real consequences. Does Riot just hate the idea of a safe pick or does Riot just not like the idea of a champion being so popular in a role that already has very few champions to pick from? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:45 overt wrote: So I'm gonna propose to TL that Ezreal has been pretty balanced for a long time. According to Leaguepedia statistics Ezreal has won 200 games over the course of the last year in competitive play and lost 200 games. Which puts him at a perfect 50% win rate. For shits and giggles I ran Ashe and Corki's numbers over the course of the last year. Ashe won 45 games and lost 32 in competitive play. Corki won 176 games and lost 162. Both Ashe and Corki posted better numbers in competitive play over the course of 2012 than Ezreal. What about solo queue? As of this moment Ezreal is sitting at a 48% winrate which makes him relatively even compared to every other AD carry. In fact I think he's slightly below average at the moment but whatever. The point being, for a long ass time Ezreal has been a safe "pretty good at everything but not the best at anything." Basically the only nerf that ever really mattered in my opinion was the nerf to his W because the AS debuff was incredibly stupid. But he's also been super popular. Because people like that champion and his design and always have (and always will). He also happens to be pretty easy and forgiving because of the way his E works and long range farming with Q (but I'd argue that someone like Trist is much better at keeping people off her than Ezreal). My real question is whether or not Riot is nerfing him because of his popularity or because of his strength during pick/ban stage since you can first pick him with no real consequences. Does Riot just hate the idea of a safe pick or does Riot just not like the idea of a champion being so popular in a role that already has very few champions to pick from? S3 item changes really helped Ez out. Like a lot. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:20 Numy wrote: It's from all sides. Saying otherwise is kind of hypocritical. People just don't want to invest time to learn about the games to have a real discussion and even if they do they aren't entering with an open mind. They enter the discussion in order to convince everyone else they right instead of entering it to find the truth. It's not hypocritical at all, the bile fueled hate and elitism really is nearly (stress nearly) exclusively from the DotA/SC2 side. Most LoL players don't care about the "my game is harder, therefore it's better" argument. There are plenty of DotA/SC2 fans who don't participate in these arguments (or do so maturely), those aren't the people I'm talking about. I agree with the comment about investing time to learn about the game. I once had an argument with someone who said what he didn't like about LoL was that all champs had passive abilities as ultimates. I wondered what the hell he was talking about before I realised that the LoL website lists champ passives as the final ability. He actually hadn't played, or likely watched a single game of LoL, but he talked like an expert on the differences between DotA and LoL. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:51 wei2coolman wrote: I think we've been saying this for a while. He's been balanced ever since the W nerf (removing AS component) Ez is just a bullshit champion though, having a refreshing flash every few seconds (if you're hitting your q), is extremely frustrating, no matter how balanced he is. Riot's just nerfing him out of popularity imo. The problem is that comps have shifted from less ADC focused team comps, and more into teamfight comps (the increase MF playtime is proof of this) (i think this problem exacerbated by the fact ADC's are significantly weaker than their early s2 counterpart), so it's better to have a mobile ADC that can kite for himself, or an ADC that can bring tremendous teamfight ability (MF). Honestly his winrates when W was still an AS debuff aren't that impressive. Including during MLG Summer when people were maxing W and he only won 8 games out of 28. Or S2 Finals when his W was still broken and he got seen in 90% of games but only posted a 45% winrate (which would indicate fairly balanced champion to me). I'd contend that for the last six months, even with OP W, Ez has been balanced and that his nerfs have been purely due to his popularity. I think nerfing his W is the only change he's needed over the course of the year. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:53 Amarok wrote: I agree with the comment about investing time to learn about the game. I once had an argument with someone who said what he didn't like about LoL was that all champs had passive abilities as ultimates. I wondered what the hell he was talking about before I realised that the LoL website lists champ passives as the final ability. He actually hadn't played, or likely watched a single game of LoL, but he talked like an expert on the differences between DotA and LoL. Well I'm also saying that that person most likely doesn't even know DotA well enough to discuss it. So it's just people who don't really know much arguing for the sake of arguing. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 05 2013 08:52 Two_DoWn wrote: S3 item changes really helped Ez out. Like a lot. Phage massively nerfed, Trinity nerfed, Bloodthister more expensive, Last Whisper nerfed, Brutalizer nerfed. Conversely Iceborn Gauntlet is a new strong utility (but pretty weak damage) item. I don't really see what you mean. | ||
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