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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 22:27:11
February 04 2013 22:24 GMT
#1661
In a game against Shaco, he ganked me 5 times in a row and I never saw the orange smoke puff, despite his limited gank paths (J bush and their wraiths warded), paying attention all the time (he ganked almost all 5 in a row) and the nerfed range.
Was it a change in the last patch to counteract the range nerf? Or is it another one of those invisible particles bugs that were talked about a few pages earlier? That was pretty annoying.

Also premade of 4 +1 against 5 solos. Having only a few people in the matchmaking queue definitely hurts. x)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 22:27:30
February 04 2013 22:27 GMT
#1662
Ja we must nerf Shaco more I don't like when good players rape me
(this isn't directed at you I'm just super mad still)
If you need +1 I can join in.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 22:32:58
February 04 2013 22:31 GMT
#1663
On February 05 2013 07:17 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:13 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:11 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 05 2013 05:19 Cloud9157 wrote:
I've never understood why you would pick Nasus when Irelia+Jax exist. They both just jump on your carry every 5 seconds, and both have some form of immunity/resistance(Jax dodge+Irelia cc reducton). You can't kite Irelia, because she just shrugs off almost every slow in the game, and Jax just jumps all over the place.

inb4 ulate


Because irelia and jax dive carries while Nasus has huge utility and plays a completely different role in teamfights?

And here we have the main problem with people's perception of Nasus.

The general public doesnt know how to play him, tries to put him in a role he sucks at, and are surprised when he doesnt do well.

tbh tho, his kit is such that, if he had just a little bit more mobility, then he would be exactly like the carry-jumping style of bruiser that is typically played top lane (eg, xin, irelia, jax). I don't really blame most ppl for not getting it. Imagine replacing his e or w with some kind of jump or +ms spell. It also doesn't help that he has, quite possibly, the most unique playstyle of all of the pokemon.


giving a hero a skill he doesn't have makes him a completely different hero.

imagine jax with xins ultimate
basically they are the same champ now with some minor differences. (CD reduction and more spammable CC vs dodge all attacks and AoE CC and short aa reset nuke)
imagine jax with udyrs turtle stance instead of his q
suddenly he's almost exaclty like udyr but with a better lategame and a weaker early game (or at least for jungling, probably for lane better early game actually holy shit)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 04 2013 22:31 GMT
#1664
It's not about losing (premade of 4 so I let you imagine how the level 1 went anyway ), but it's the first Shaco I see since the patch so I paid particular attention so I could learn how long he can blink to now. And I saw nothing at all.
That was pretty disconcerting: their mid wasn't very good at baiting and sold 4 of the 5 ganks away by running straight at me without any other apparent reason, so I knew Shaco would come and was looking for the smoke puff... and it never appeared. o_o
But the patch notes didn't mention it, and it'd seem pretty strange from Riot to remove something like that. So I'm wondering if anybody else has had something like that, since a few pages ago there was talk about invisible Lux spells and stuff since the patch.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 04 2013 22:37 GMT
#1665
On February 05 2013 07:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:17 barbsq wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:13 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:11 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 05 2013 05:19 Cloud9157 wrote:
I've never understood why you would pick Nasus when Irelia+Jax exist. They both just jump on your carry every 5 seconds, and both have some form of immunity/resistance(Jax dodge+Irelia cc reducton). You can't kite Irelia, because she just shrugs off almost every slow in the game, and Jax just jumps all over the place.

inb4 ulate


Because irelia and jax dive carries while Nasus has huge utility and plays a completely different role in teamfights?

And here we have the main problem with people's perception of Nasus.

The general public doesnt know how to play him, tries to put him in a role he sucks at, and are surprised when he doesnt do well.

tbh tho, his kit is such that, if he had just a little bit more mobility, then he would be exactly like the carry-jumping style of bruiser that is typically played top lane (eg, xin, irelia, jax). I don't really blame most ppl for not getting it. Imagine replacing his e or w with some kind of jump or +ms spell. It also doesn't help that he has, quite possibly, the most unique playstyle of all of the pokemon.


giving a hero a skill he doesn't have makes him a completely different hero.

imagine jax with xins ultimate
basically they are the same champ now with some minor differences. (CD reduction and more spammable CC vs dodge all attacks and AoE CC and short aa reset nuke)
imagine jax with udyrs turtle stance instead of his q
suddenly he's almost exaclty like udyr but with a better lategame and a weaker early game (or at least for jungling, probably for lane better early game actually holy shit)

I think the point was that, looking at his kit, it's easier for many people to say "hyper scaling bruiser with no gap closer" rather than "utility tank that shuts down ADCs", because the second is unique, while the first fits into a paradigm that many people already understand.
It's your boy Guzma!
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 04 2013 22:37 GMT
#1666
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 22:42:13
February 04 2013 22:39 GMT
#1667
Most bruisers have a total burst with no damage items of about 1k or higher. That means your irelia/jax/xin whatever can jump in use all their spells in 2-3 seconds ignite and just need another gapcloser to finish off a squishy target.

Meanwhile nasus has a burst of his Q, +whatever the burst on his E is, 210 or so maximum, which you can fire from range anyway so it doesn't really factor into the burst you get from closing the gap. The rest of his damage is sustained, r, e, q having a low cd, r bonus AD. Nasus shares a lot more with Udyr than he does with any of the standard bruisers

That fact that his W is really long and really debilitating but not a hard CC supports this playstyle. All of his kit works together to function as a sustained damage bruiser with utility.

This means that losing half your health to get to an AD carry with some of the other champs might be worth it because you basically take them out of the fight because they have to do damage all the time and you can just burst when your CDs are up. If you do the same on nasus you get 1 q off and then you also took more damage because you didn't have a gap closer.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
February 04 2013 22:42 GMT
#1668
On February 05 2013 07:39 Slayer91 wrote:
Meanwhile nasus has a burst of his Q, +whatever the burst on his E is, 210 or so maximum


You meant 2100, right?
:3
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
February 04 2013 22:49 GMT
#1669
Assuming you have 3142 or more ap yes.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
February 04 2013 22:49 GMT
#1670
I feel like I just lost 50 IQ points from reading the first few pages of comments on Doa's blog, please remind me to never read anything related to league again on this site outside of this subforum. I can only take so much "your players are obviously much less skilled because your game is ez-mode but Im all for ESPORTS so no bashing bro"
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 23:01:17
February 04 2013 22:50 GMT
#1671
On February 05 2013 07:49 Louuster wrote:
I feel like I just lost 50 IQ points from reading the first few pages of comments on Doa's blog, please remind me to never read anything related to league again on this site outside of this subforum. I can only take so much "your players are obviously much less skilled because your game is ez-mode but Im all for ESPORTS so no bashing bro"


Eh how bad could it be *reads*

Eh could be worse, and then as I read further and further into comments I feel myself wanting to hulk smash a bus. by page four I realized I was going to have to stop to deal with the sudden headache. Damnations..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
February 04 2013 22:53 GMT
#1672
I dont exactly keep up with the tournaments and pro games; could someone explain to me why all these AD mids/Kayle/AP Yi are becoming so popular? And with most of these AD mids boasting a gap closer, and because of the new pot spamming builds, I'm having major problems playing my main AP champs versus them (they're all generally very squishy/short ranged). Is playing a pure tanky/sustain champ the new thing now? What AP champ can deal with this effectively?
im deaf
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 04 2013 22:55 GMT
#1673
On February 05 2013 07:50 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:49 Louuster wrote:
I feel like I just lost 50 IQ points from reading the first few pages of comments on Doa's blog, please remind me to never read anything related to league again on this site outside of this subforum. I can only take so much "your players are obviously much less skilled because your game is ez-mode but Im all for ESPORTS so no bashing bro"


Eh how bad could it be *reads*

It's a cross section of the internet, which is a cross section of humanity as a whole.

So pretty bad.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 04 2013 22:56 GMT
#1674
On February 05 2013 07:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Assuming you have 3142 or more ap yes.


The most obvious reading of your original grammar is: Q + E = 210 damage.

Hence, confusion.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 04 2013 22:57 GMT
#1675
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 04 2013 23:00 GMT
#1676
On February 05 2013 07:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.


He's a nice guy and is really good at this game. Does flair mean a douchebag and bad at game these days?
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 04 2013 23:05 GMT
#1677
On February 05 2013 07:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.

Maybe you can't think of reasons why because your assumption is wrong.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 04 2013 23:06 GMT
#1678
On February 05 2013 07:49 Louuster wrote:
I feel like I just lost 50 IQ points from reading the first few pages of comments on Doa's blog, please remind me to never read anything related to league again on this site outside of this subforum. I can only take so much "your players are obviously much less skilled because your game is ez-mode but Im all for ESPORTS so no bashing bro"

Eh, I feel most of the people saying League is a much easier game don't actually play much league. People see that there's no denying in league, or that you don't have to multitask as much as SC2, and automatically come to the conclusion that league is a kiddie game. If they don't want to take the time to delve deeper into a game before making a judgement, there's not much else one can say about it.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 23:11:41
February 04 2013 23:10 GMT
#1679
On February 05 2013 08:05 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:57 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.

Maybe you can't think of reasons why because your assumption is wrong.


My only assumption is that hes boring, which I stick to after watching his stream several times whenever no one else is on.

On February 05 2013 08:00 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:57 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.


He's a nice guy and is really good at this game. Does flair mean a douchebag and bad at game these days?



And by flair I meant some kind of personality thats shown, something special he brings to the table, like Scarra, Froggen, or any of the TSM members.

Idk he just seems monotone to me, not as bad as Dyrus, and he explains things boringly, not as good as Scarra.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 23:18:32
February 04 2013 23:13 GMT
#1680
On February 05 2013 07:53 imBLIND wrote:
I dont exactly keep up with the tournaments and pro games; could someone explain to me why all these AD mids/Kayle/AP Yi are becoming so popular? And with most of these AD mids boasting a gap closer, and because of the new pot spamming builds, I'm having major problems playing my main AP champs versus them (they're all generally very squishy/short ranged).

You just answered your question with your following statement o.o. They're becoming popular because they work vs. the normal AP mids and people don't adapt to playing more defensively vs. an AD caster/mid. I hear people have said the new item, Seeker's armguard, is pretty decent and helps vs. AD lanes. Sorry I can't help with anything more specific.

On February 05 2013 08:00 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:57 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:37 zodde wrote:
I've seen dyrus on 50k+ viewers back when he was newish in TSM. It's only a matter of time before someone breaks that though, especially with servers fucking up all the time ^^


Can't believe Voyboy is at 49k+ atm. He's so boring to listen to and hes just doesn't have any kind of flair that other streamers have that attract viewers.


He's a nice guy and is really good at this game. Does flair mean a douchebag and bad at game these days?



And by flair I meant some kind of personality thats shown, something special he brings to the table, like Scarra, Froggen, or any of the TSM members.

Idk he just seems monotone to me, not as bad as Dyrus, and he explains things boringly, not as good as Scarra.[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen of Froggen's stream, he pretty much never talks, at least not in the past few months. Voy does commentate well, and I agree not as enthusiastic or energetic as scarra, but his play is much flashier (and effective) than most streamers which is what a lot of viewers like. I see Voy as a mix between scarra and Froggen in terms of commentating and flashy skill. And he's also super nice.
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