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On February 05 2013 00:55 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:46 BlackPaladin wrote:
Nasus doesn't have the ability to jump AT youe carry from like 10k range. You can still kite him to oblivion. A farmed q nasus is basically "can i actually GET to my enemy to 1 shot him or do I get kited and die." with or without crit, this is what playing nasus is like. Like the only way not to do that is to gank them from behind but what good team would not have wards and see that lol. This. Kiting ADCs are his bane, as is a team that can peel. Of course, he can and should just hit some front liners cause of high damage.
Yes he's easier to kite but as I said his damage is ridiculous enough that he can chunk your front-liners ridiculously too. As I said you can't balance the ability to one-shot things in melee range whether or not there are gap closers. He doesn't even need AD or AS, just crit runes and cloaks/avarice will do the job just fine, IE if it ever gets to that.
It's possible I'm wrong and Nasus really is in such a state that somehow this huge change doesn't help enough. But I think the change is ridiculous and I will man up and stand by my assessment that this bug makes him OP until either I'm vindicated or I get hung on the wall of shame after attempts are made and nothing happens. This is my prediction and we'll see if it comes true.
(if Riot fixes it before I can be proved right I'll just have to furiously pace around and mope.)
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On February 05 2013 01:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
you could also play nasus as a pretty effective peeler for your AD i think. wither the assassin going for him, drop a wither and spirit fire and you and your AD will destroy him (armorshred op). it feels a little wasteful maybe, but i think its another possible role he can fit.
nasus is a pretty poor initiator as is, so maybe try to let someone else do that kind of stuff. Support Nasus was a TROLLS test, where you basically bodyguard your AD or use W to focus an enemy. I don't think it turned out that great.
I don't know what tests you were watching but I thought that it went great. some people not knowing how to kite golums for the level advantage and then not useing the level advantage for anything notwithstanding.
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On February 05 2013 01:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
you could also play nasus as a pretty effective peeler for your AD i think. wither the assassin going for him, drop a wither and spirit fire and you and your AD will destroy him (armorshred op). it feels a little wasteful maybe, but i think its another possible role he can fit.
nasus is a pretty poor initiator as is, so maybe try to let someone else do that kind of stuff. Support Nasus was a TROLLS test, where you basically bodyguard your AD or use W to focus an enemy. I don't think it turned out that great.
not support, still sololane i mean
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I stand by the fact that support Nasus has a huge potential in certain matchups.
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On February 05 2013 00:41 AsnSensation wrote:
oh god what is this matchmaking, just played against someone from Bronze I who was lastpick in the enemy team ( I'm plat I)
The biggest thing was that it was match-up dependent in terms of laning, but pretty good if you managed to go through (same could be said with support Trundle as long as you itemise CDR). Wither is kind of a super-Iceball after all, and Corki/Sivir/Graves never cared too much about Nunu.
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support nasus is fine except for the fact that people rage and automatically play worse at the sign of anything unusual. Whenever I play it my ad carry just cries the whole time instead of csing and even though im zoning their ad carry mine is like 30 cs behind from crying so much.
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On February 05 2013 01:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
support nasus is fine except for the fact that people rage and automatically play worse at the sign of anything unusual. Whenever I play it my ad carry just cries the whole time instead of csing and even though im zoning their ad carry mine is like 30 cs behind from crying so much.
Yeah. Garen shits on Sona pretty hard, but you wouldn't know that I forced Sona back 2 times before 5 minutes b/c my AD is whining we would have killed her if I was a "real support". >_>
I still strongly believe that Garen and Darius are fairly viable supports with proper junglers. (I'm thinking Maokai or anyone else with a point-click/ ezmode hard CC)
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Amumu would be a better support with a strong bot lane gank focused jungler.
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If I were a Maokai (WHICH I AM NOT but if I were) I'd prefer Thresh over Garen and Darius 100%. He can support ganks way better and witohut items he does absolutely everything better than the 2 mentioned above. Like, absolutely strictly better in every single way better.
I don't know if I emphasised enough how much better thresh is without items.
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On February 05 2013 01:19 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:55 sylverfyre wrote:On February 05 2013 00:46 BlackPaladin wrote:
Nasus doesn't have the ability to jump AT youe carry from like 10k range. You can still kite him to oblivion. A farmed q nasus is basically "can i actually GET to my enemy to 1 shot him or do I get kited and die." with or without crit, this is what playing nasus is like. Like the only way not to do that is to gank them from behind but what good team would not have wards and see that lol. This. Kiting ADCs are his bane, as is a team that can peel. Of course, he can and should just hit some front liners cause of high damage. Yes he's easier to kite but as I said his damage is ridiculous enough that he can chunk your front-liners ridiculously too. As I said you can't balance the ability to one-shot things in melee range whether or not there are gap closers. He doesn't even need AD or AS, just crit runes and cloaks/avarice will do the job just fine, IE if it ever gets to that. It's possible I'm wrong and Nasus really is in such a state that somehow this huge change doesn't help enough. But I think the change is ridiculous and I will man up and stand by my assessment that this bug makes him OP until either I'm vindicated or I get hung on the wall of shame after attempts are made and nothing happens. This is my prediction and we'll see if it comes true. (if Riot fixes it before I can be proved right I'll just have to furiously pace around and mope.)
There are far too many ways to get around the kiting problem for that to be an adequate answer to "I think big dog is a pretty cool guy. Eh one shots enemys and doesnt afraid of anything." You'll be vindicated if Riot doesn't fix the bug, it's only a matter of time.
On February 05 2013 01:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 01:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
support nasus is fine except for the fact that people rage and automatically play worse at the sign of anything unusual. Whenever I play it my ad carry just cries the whole time instead of csing and even though im zoning their ad carry mine is like 30 cs behind from crying so much. Yeah. Garen shits on Sona pretty hard, but you wouldn't know that I forced Sona back 2 times before 5 minutes b/c my AD is whining we would have killed her if I was a "real support". >_> I still strongly believe that Garen and Darius are fairly viable supports with proper junglers. (I'm thinking Maokai or anyone else with a point-click/ ezmode hard CC)
The problem with support Garen/Darius is they have absolutely nothing useful to offer if you fall behind. That's a fatal flaw for any support.
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Wither has to be one of the best spells in the game though. Nothing is more annoying as an AD, or an Irelia/Jax.
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I keep seeing "nasus is easily kiteable by the enemy team". Uh, wat? How do you kite someone with ghost turned on, a frozen fist, the strongest single target slow in the game, and possibly a shurelias?
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On February 05 2013 02:00 Dusty wrote:
I keep seeing "nasus is easily kiteable by the enemy team". Uh, wat? How do you kite someone with ghost turned on, a frozen fist, the strongest single target slow in the game, and possibly a shurelias?
With a stun, supress, taunt, knockback, knockup, or snare. Sure he can run at you fast, but CC him for a second or two and now his Shurelia is gone, a chunk of his Ghost is worn off, and Wither is ticking away while he's unable to follow up on it. As soon as he pops all that and Withers a carry, the enemy team should just CC him and wait until it's gone, then he's got nothing but base AS to catch things.
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On February 05 2013 02:00 Dusty wrote:
I keep seeing "nasus is easily kiteable by the enemy team". Uh, wat? How do you kite someone with ghost turned on, a frozen fist, the strongest single target slow in the game, and possibly a shurelias?
by using any of the hundred stuns in this game?
Nasus is in the same spot as a lot of champions. Hes good at lower levels where teams dont kite but at higher levels he is to easily punished early game and kited to death lategame.
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Yeah, a strong 0 farm laner does not a good support make. What will Garen provide after the laning phase? Or Darius? As a kill lane, I can see it, but as a 5th position support...
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On February 05 2013 02:12 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 02:00 Dusty wrote:
I keep seeing "nasus is easily kiteable by the enemy team". Uh, wat? How do you kite someone with ghost turned on, a frozen fist, the strongest single target slow in the game, and possibly a shurelias? With a stun, supress, taunt, knockback, knockup, or snare. Sure he can run at you fast, but CC him for a second or two and now his Shurelia is gone, a chunk of his Ghost is worn off, and Wither is ticking away while he's unable to follow up on it. As soon as he pops all that and Withers a carry, the enemy team should just CC him and wait until it's gone, then he's got nothing but base AS to catch things.
Also QSS. That alone makes it so a lot of AD's can kite him for a good 2-3 seconds by themselves. because of the ways slows work, they negate your speed boosts very easily.
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On February 05 2013 02:00 Dusty wrote:
I keep seeing "nasus is easily kiteable by the enemy team". Uh, wat? How do you kite someone with ghost turned on, a frozen fist, the strongest single target slow in the game, and possibly a shurelias?
You hit him with a stun and your withered ad cleanses/uses their escape skill. Then all his shit is on CD and he runs around lamely hitting whoever he can until wither is back up. He has basically one shot to close on his target, one or two CC's and thats over. Any melee is very kitable, you need short CD/multiple gap closers or huge burst and one gap closer to remedy this, nasus has wither, which unfortunately for all its sick slowing is just a slow and wont prevent tumble or condemn or arcane shift or valk or 90 cal net, and still requires him to walk through a team worth of CC.
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how about you guys dont rush in 1v5 on a champion without an initiate seems to work for everyone else
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Now, if his ult gave him like, double tenacity, maybe made him immune to certain types of CC (not all like Olaf, but maybe how Yi is immune to Slow when Ulting, Nasus could be immune to Stun), that would go towards solving the issue, but also make him way the fuck more scary. As it stands, any team with any sort of coordination (even in duo queue, if a support Taric/Leona/Thresh/Lulu/Janna is good at bodyguarding), then he's s.o.l.
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Tried Muramana+IE Nasus. Lulz were had.
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