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Russian Federation3632 Posts
On February 03 2013 15:43 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 15:36 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 03 2013 15:17 spellsy wrote:
dude i found the most op strat.. renek + karma bot.. i doing it now in ranked for TRUE TEST What makes this good? Is Karma just good with melee characters or what? I'm genuinely curious. Karma's Q heals for a flat amount and a % of missing health. This makes her extremely effective in combination with health-stacking champions. Throw her shield, speed boost, and harass on top of all this and you have a fairly nice combo.
% of health / % of percent of missing health doesn't particularly favor health-stacking over resist-stacking. Else, arguably you would have seen Maokais commonly building Warmogs in season 2.
Though one may be more cost-efficient than the other, that calculation is not substantially altered by a % health heal.
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On February 03 2013 17:00 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 16:16 Chrispy wrote:
Oddone so funny. Loses his promotion game. "fuuuck, back to sleeping floors... damn it why I had the perfect application!" what does that even mean..?
He didn't get promoted to Management (Diamond) and has to go back to sweeping floors* at Platinum.
*At this point I realized my spelling mistakes.
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On February 03 2013 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't need links to proteams. This is ez answer.
1) solo queue.
2) they stopped being stupid.
they practiced, watch replays and identified weaknesses, and actively worked on improving said weaknesses
pretty straightforward lol 
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On February 03 2013 17:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't need links to proteams. This is ez answer.
1) solo queue.
2) they stopped being stupid. they practiced, watch replays and identified weaknesses, and actively worked on improving said weaknesses pretty straightforward lol
well soloqueue answer was "where they find talent", if it wasn't clear.
Whoa, is this the real life? doublelift built randuins on graves. O.o
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On February 03 2013 17:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 17:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 03 2013 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't need links to proteams. This is ez answer.
1) solo queue.
2) they stopped being stupid. they practiced, watch replays and identified weaknesses, and actively worked on improving said weaknesses pretty straightforward lol well soloqueue answer was "where they find talent", if it wasn't clear. Whoa, is this the real life? doublelift built randuins on graves. O.o
It is most slot-efficient right?
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On February 03 2013 17:20 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 17:15 wei2coolman wrote:On February 03 2013 17:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 03 2013 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't need links to proteams. This is ez answer.
1) solo queue.
2) they stopped being stupid. they practiced, watch replays and identified weaknesses, and actively worked on improving said weaknesses pretty straightforward lol well soloqueue answer was "where they find talent", if it wasn't clear. Whoa, is this the real life? doublelift built randuins on graves. O.o It is most slot-efficient right?
But it's not QSS or GA.
I don't think I've ever seen him build any defensive items except for those 2 on his ADC's. There was even a time where he refused to build GA in s2.
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On February 03 2013 17:05 419 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 15:43 Seuss wrote:On February 03 2013 15:36 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 03 2013 15:17 spellsy wrote:
dude i found the most op strat.. renek + karma bot.. i doing it now in ranked for TRUE TEST What makes this good? Is Karma just good with melee characters or what? I'm genuinely curious. Karma's Q heals for a flat amount and a % of missing health. This makes her extremely effective in combination with health-stacking champions. Throw her shield, speed boost, and harass on top of all this and you have a fairly nice combo. % of health / % of percent of missing health doesn't particularly favor health-stacking over resist-stacking. Though one may be more cost-efficient than the other, that calculation is not substantially altered by a % health heal.
The point wasn't to make a statement about Health vs Resists as much as it was to make a statement about bruisers versus squishy carries.
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Bly man, those last two fights around baron, everyone's ults were terrible. Like you hit 1 person, Pooksie ulted after fiddle zhonyas'd and knocked darius into EZ, Ori...idk what ori was doing.
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One thing about this meta is that while junglers like Lee, Nocturne and Xin look like they were buffed heavily with HP stacking (and locket) being so great, that in part is only an illusion caused by the fact that people weren't going full tank on them before (which I think was the best choice even in season 2). All of these guys already have enough threat with just tank items, yet people were going for half-assed damage items like Brutalizer/Ghostblade.
Now that people are building full tank on them, it looks like they are much better than before.
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On February 03 2013 17:51 OutlaW- wrote:
One thing about this meta is that while junglers like Lee, Nocturne and Xin look like they were buffed heavily with HP stacking (and locket) being so great, that in part is only an illusion caused by the fact that people weren't going full tank on them before (which I think was the best choice even in season 2). All of these guys already have enough threat with just tank items, yet people were going for half-assed damage items like Brutalizer/Ghostblade.
Now that people are building full tank on them, it looks like they are much better than before.
Lee's gotten a lot worse. The armor removal on shield makes first go through on jungle really fucking rough.
I use to play HP Lee Sin back in early S2. Best build was 4mogs+atmas+merc treads. that shit was awesome.
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Imagine if he weren't nerfed. He'd be picked pretty much every game with Xin.
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Fuck yes I did it. Platinum division V! Caitlyn's Zealots. Won my first two promotion matches, then takashiX threw 2x games in a row and then we won a game where we had an argument with 2x ADCs, both argumental. Most dysfunctional team I've ever won with holy crap. I was so scared that I wouldn't win.
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On February 03 2013 17:55 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 17:51 OutlaW- wrote:
One thing about this meta is that while junglers like Lee, Nocturne and Xin look like they were buffed heavily with HP stacking (and locket) being so great, that in part is only an illusion caused by the fact that people weren't going full tank on them before (which I think was the best choice even in season 2). All of these guys already have enough threat with just tank items, yet people were going for half-assed damage items like Brutalizer/Ghostblade.
Now that people are building full tank on them, it looks like they are much better than before. Lee's gotten a lot worse. The armor removal on shield makes first go through on jungle really fucking rough. I use to play HP Lee Sin back in early S2. Best build was 4mogs+atmas+merc treads. that shit was awesome.
I don't notice a difference in clear :O
Trying to tank lategame is a bitch though.
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On February 03 2013 18:07 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 17:55 wei2coolman wrote:On February 03 2013 17:51 OutlaW- wrote:
One thing about this meta is that while junglers like Lee, Nocturne and Xin look like they were buffed heavily with HP stacking (and locket) being so great, that in part is only an illusion caused by the fact that people weren't going full tank on them before (which I think was the best choice even in season 2). All of these guys already have enough threat with just tank items, yet people were going for half-assed damage items like Brutalizer/Ghostblade.
Now that people are building full tank on them, it looks like they are much better than before. Lee's gotten a lot worse. The armor removal on shield makes first go through on jungle really fucking rough. I use to play HP Lee Sin back in early S2. Best build was 4mogs+atmas+merc treads. that shit was awesome. I don't notice a difference in clear :O Trying to tank lategame is a bitch though.
I come out of the jungle a bit lower than I normally do.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
It's surprisingly noticeable in midgame teamfights.
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I wasn't looking for retarded answers.
Scouting these people who were "bad' but has high "potential." How to identify potential? Only WE knew that Caomei would become from sux to god, sticking with him for months while he fed.
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On February 03 2013 18:14 cascades wrote:
I wasn't looking for retarded answers.
Scouting these people who were "bad' but has high potential. How to identify potential? Only WE knew that Caomei would become from sux to god, sticking with him for months while he fed.
Idk but it seems Curse is trying to do the same thing with Elementz.
ELEMENTZ NEXT MADLIFE?
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On February 03 2013 18:14 cascades wrote:
I wasn't looking for retarded answers.
Scouting these people who were "bad' but has high potential. How to identify potential? Only WE knew that Caomei would become from sux to god, sticking with him for months while he fed.
Things really arent that clearcut.
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United States23745 Posts
On February 03 2013 16:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 16:28 BlackPaladin wrote:
You watch games with him in it.... does it make sense to you that someone can be rank 1 while losing most of his lanes?
Okay, maybe he didn't lose most of his lanes. But I did see him on a lot of streams where he would feed but still somehow did OK in teamfights (feed more than most people and still be relevant). Maybe that's not the way he always played, but popular streamers kind of perpetuated this persona about him. He obviously did it enough to gain a reputation for it regardless of whether or not this playstyle accounted for a majority of his games.
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On February 03 2013 18:17 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 16:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:On February 03 2013 16:28 BlackPaladin wrote:
You watch games with him in it.... does it make sense to you that someone can be rank 1 while losing most of his lanes? Okay, maybe he didn't lose most of his lanes. But I did see him on a lot of streams where he would feed but still somehow did OK in teamfights (feed more than most people and still be relevant). Maybe that's not the way he always played, but popular streamers kind of perpetuated this persona about him. He obviously did it enough to gain a reputation for it regardless of whether or not this playstyle accounted for a majority of his games.
I think it's fair to say that he lost lane like half the time, but he would lose them hard, like going 0/6 (because he would keep pushing and applying pressure). The thing about him losing lane and winning game is a bit overblown, partly because people placed too much emphasis on deaths. He would die often but he would still do his job. It was pretty funny as well which definitely contributed to the spreading of the whole notion.
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On February 03 2013 18:16 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 18:14 cascades wrote:
I wasn't looking for retarded answers.
Scouting these people who were "bad' but has high potential. How to identify potential? Only WE knew that Caomei would become from sux to god, sticking with him for months while he fed. Idk but it seems Curse is trying to do the same thing with Elementz. ELEMENTZ NEXT MADLIFE?
Considering how hard Curse smashed CLG in scrims, even in botlane. Elementz + cop > Doublelift + aphro.
Doublelift > cop, so Elementz = aphro + difference between dlift and cop + how hard they smashed that lane.
Elementz soon to be Madlife.
Best example is Doublelift imo.
Was picked up by HSGG, due to sheer impressive solo queue play with Blitz, Poppy, etc. Then after a few team swaps, doublelift finally got good after Chauster babied Doublelift. Strong mechanics is actually best indicator of potential imo. You can teach strategy, much harder to teach mechanics.
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