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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 22 2013 05:43 GMT
#1681
The combo was pretty hard... (I was surprised that Kog had almost as much magical damage than physical damage, in the "dealt to champions" part; well, he had Shiv, too) HP is better to get than armour because it's cheaper, but Kog inflicts %maxHP magical damage. So do I get MR? But then I'm not that protected against Xerath, since he ignores a high % of it (he even built abyssal... ), whose combo I'm better off building HP for.
Armour? Kog has a LW.

Also notice that it was a 6 items Kog against a mostly 4 items Vi. I was often behind him (troll support massing AP on Nid and stealing kills with spears, even when 100% secured, so I didn't get much gold from the fights I got in) from up to 2 items. In the midgame I think I could have killed him 1v1 (because ult+Q against his only defense which is a slow), but it was the endgame scaling that got me (also his shred is more powerful than mine, even though he only had a warmogs for defense). That was the same in s2 against most AD carries.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 22 2013 05:44 GMT
#1682
On January 22 2013 14:43 Alaric wrote:
The combo was pretty hard... (I was surprised that Kog had almost as much magical damage than physical damage, in the "dealt to champions" part; well, he had Shiv, too) HP is better to get than armour because it's cheaper, but Kog inflicts %maxHP magical damage. So do I get MR? But then I'm not that protected against Xerath, since he ignores a high % of it (he even built abyssal... ), whose combo I'm better off building HP for.
Armour? Kog has a LW.

Also notice that it was a 6 items Kog against a mostly 4 items Vi. I was often behind him (troll support massing AP on Nid and stealing kills with spears, even when 100% secured, so I didn't get much gold from the fights I got in) from up to 2 items. In the midgame I think I could have killed him 1v1 (because ult+Q against his only defense which is a slow), but it was the endgame scaling that got me (also his shred is more powerful than mine, even though he only had a warmogs for defense). That was the same in s2 against most AD carries.

Yeah, the fact that Kog is one of the scariest 6 item champs in the game certainly didn't help your cause.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 22 2013 05:54 GMT
#1683
Yeah, I just finished a game as Vi with Razor's/Phage/MoBo/Mogs/Zephyr. Always dive, never not dive and do a billion damage. Then again, between first blood and the proest leash I have ever gotten my first back was phage/boots so I was already off to a very nice start.

Thanks for the stinger Vi suggestion, without a doubt superior to Brutalizer on her. Then it just becomes when, if ever, do I buy BC? XD
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 22 2013 05:55 GMT
#1684
OK, heres my idea

all da champs have 3 skills and an ult, and then there are ones with like no ult, and the ones with a bunch skills and no ult.

so then how about new innovative idea:

New Champ. 4 ults, no skills. He is like useless average man who run around and punch with his fists. Then every 100 seconds he can alpha strike like nuclear submarine and fly across map and also summon volcano.

hire me plz roit
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 22 2013 05:56 GMT
#1685
What do you guys think of Janna support nowadays? I keep thinking in my head that with all these diving bruisers, that Janna would be a great support in late team fights as a peeling machine. Q, W, and R are all fantastic ways of helping your AD out of trouble, and R is an instant cast that also doubles as a slight heal.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 06:02:52
January 22 2013 06:00 GMT
#1686
On January 22 2013 14:54 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, I just finished a game as Vi with Razor's/Phage/MoBo/Mogs/Zephyr. Always dive, never not dive and do a billion damage. Then again, between first blood and the proest leash I have ever gotten my first back was phage/boots so I was already off to a very nice start.

Thanks for the stinger Vi suggestion, without a doubt superior to Brutalizer on her. Then it just becomes when, if ever, do I buy BC? XD

Since the armour reduction from BC is pretty fine with her W, but works better whenever the enemy's armour is higher (unless the flat ArPen lets you do true damage hue) I'd be against finishing BC first, if at all. After bruta, if you want defense, build some defensive stuff, if you want offense, get some more cost-efficient AD, then finish BC once they get tankier (either from items or levels) and the fights are actually somewhat drawn-out rather than bursty.

^ I like Janna but I guess with all the instant gapclosers and burst she isn't as good as she used to be (mobility creep yay) and her laning phase isn't as strong as Lulu's or Sona's. She also isn't as good offensively and with teams playing more aggressive than protective I guess she just has less synergy than she used to.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 22 2013 06:05 GMT
#1687
On January 22 2013 14:56 Nos- wrote:
What do you guys think of Janna support nowadays? I keep thinking in my head that with all these diving bruisers, that Janna would be a great support in late team fights as a peeling machine. Q, W, and R are all fantastic ways of helping your AD out of trouble, and R is an instant cast that also doubles as a slight heal.


Been enjoying Morg for those same reasons. Her peel is Janna-level but you can also make your lane turn into a kill-fest if you hit some great binds. Plus with all these melee assassins jumping around raping shit, your shield usually sticks around to eat all the CC, and not just get blown off with one AP nuke as it usually does. All around fun shit.
Hey! How you doin'?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 22 2013 06:14 GMT
#1688
On January 22 2013 15:00 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 14:54 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, I just finished a game as Vi with Razor's/Phage/MoBo/Mogs/Zephyr. Always dive, never not dive and do a billion damage. Then again, between first blood and the proest leash I have ever gotten my first back was phage/boots so I was already off to a very nice start.

Thanks for the stinger Vi suggestion, without a doubt superior to Brutalizer on her. Then it just becomes when, if ever, do I buy BC? XD

Since the armour reduction from BC is pretty fine with her W, but works better whenever the enemy's armour is higher (unless the flat ArPen lets you do true damage hue) I'd be against finishing BC first, if at all. After bruta, if you want defense, build some defensive stuff, if you want offense, get some more cost-efficient AD, then finish BC once they get tankier (either from items or levels) and the fights are actually somewhat drawn-out rather than bursty.

^ I like Janna but I guess with all the instant gapclosers and burst she isn't as good as she used to be (mobility creep yay) and her laning phase isn't as strong as Lulu's or Sona's. She also isn't as good offensively and with teams playing more aggressive than protective I guess she just has less synergy than she used to.

I've been toying around with options with the Stinger core, so BC was going to be delayed for quite a while. Still, it was the fastest 11k I've ever gotten in the jungle, I think. I saw the it was suggested Stinger => Phage but I'm too cc greedy. I guess it is because of how long I spent with Shyvanna as as my main jungler.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
January 22 2013 06:24 GMT
#1689
On January 22 2013 06:25 Seuss wrote:
Re: bly

As far as I can tell bly posted something stupid, got corrected, tacitly admitted fault by his third post, everything was fine, but now it's a three-way shitfest between Roffles, gtr, and bly because none of them can admit being wrong to each other ever.

This is like a bad family reunion. All it needs is the marble cake that dried up in the sun and that second cousin once removed who's totally hot but it's all awkward because you're family and you don't live in a place where that's acceptable.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 06:17 smOOthMayDie wrote:
What's everyones opinion on Akali? I picked her up recently and am absolutely crushing with her! I've played 24 games with her in ranked and I'm sitting at a 70% WR (17-7). Got my first penta kill with her today too!! Just seems like she does SO much damage, even on tanky targets.


She does the damages, all the damages.

What have you been building? I tried to teach Soniv the way of the ninja with Gunblade, DFG and Lichbane but he kept ulting directly into Zyra roots and knockup.


Not going to join in on the shitfest but honestly, Roffles has a god awful personality if I can manage to remember him from the maplestory thread. Since I'm not involved in TL much, I dont remember people here much but this guy was/is such a d-bag that I'm not surprised people fight with him all the time. And if random people on internet forum who is barely active can remember you from your bad personality, people irl must think you are anything but amicable. Just my 2 cents.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 22 2013 06:26 GMT
#1690
That was seven pages ago, we have moved on. o.o
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 22 2013 06:28 GMT
#1691
On January 22 2013 14:55 sob3k wrote:
OK, heres my idea

all da champs have 3 skills and an ult, and then there are ones with like no ult, and the ones with a bunch skills and no ult.

so then how about new innovative idea:

New Champ. 4 ults, no skills. He is like useless average man who run around and punch with his fists. Then every 100 seconds he can alpha strike like nuclear submarine and fly across map and also summon volcano.

hire me plz roit


sounds like a new support to me
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
January 22 2013 06:29 GMT
#1692
On January 22 2013 05:48 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 05:39 Alaric wrote:
But normals are the only place where you can play Malphite or Shen. :<
On January 22 2013 05:36 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 05:35 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
after looking at all 4 gambit gaming games, i think people should pick jarvan+taric or maokai more often against them

CLG beat M5 with Maokai at IPL5 iirc. Good pick, agree. Why Jarvan+Taric combo though?

Flag+Shatter combo gives something like 52 armour at max level. Throw in an aegis for good measure, and a locket just to fuck up any burst combo.

Hm. Wasn't GG's comp involving a lot of % based reduction too?
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/16xlt4/the_reason_gbgm5_picked_renekton/


it's not wrong to build armor against stacked up penetration on an opponents' team, as long as their damage is mostly of one type. in this case having extra armor from jarvan+taric frees up your champs to build more damage / HP. can't be bad.

for maokai, it stops the all-in dives / prolonged chases that GBG enjoys
cool beans
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 22 2013 06:39 GMT
#1693
On January 22 2013 15:24 GhostOwl wrote:
Not going to join in on the shitfest but honestly, Roffles has a god awful personality if I can manage to remember him from the maplestory thread. Since I'm not involved in TL much, I dont remember people here much but this guy was/is such a d-bag that I'm not surprised people fight with him all the time. And if random people on internet forum who is barely active can remember you from your bad personality, people irl must think you are anything but amicable. Just my 2 cents.

> Starts post with "Not going to join in"

> Joins in

TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 22 2013 06:44 GMT
#1694
On January 22 2013 15:24 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 06:25 Seuss wrote:
Re: bly

As far as I can tell bly posted something stupid, got corrected, tacitly admitted fault by his third post, everything was fine, but now it's a three-way shitfest between Roffles, gtr, and bly because none of them can admit being wrong to each other ever.

This is like a bad family reunion. All it needs is the marble cake that dried up in the sun and that second cousin once removed who's totally hot but it's all awkward because you're family and you don't live in a place where that's acceptable.

On January 22 2013 06:17 smOOthMayDie wrote:
What's everyones opinion on Akali? I picked her up recently and am absolutely crushing with her! I've played 24 games with her in ranked and I'm sitting at a 70% WR (17-7). Got my first penta kill with her today too!! Just seems like she does SO much damage, even on tanky targets.


She does the damages, all the damages.

What have you been building? I tried to teach Soniv the way of the ninja with Gunblade, DFG and Lichbane but he kept ulting directly into Zyra roots and knockup.


Not going to join in on the shitfest but honestly, Roffles has a god awful personality if I can manage to remember him from the maplestory thread. Since I'm not involved in TL much, I dont remember people here much but this guy was/is such a d-bag that I'm not surprised people fight with him all the time. And if random people on internet forum who is barely active can remember you from your bad personality, people irl must think you are anything but amicable. Just my 2 cents.


Saying Roffles is a jerk isn't news to anyone. People have just gotten used to it, really.
Remember Violet.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 22 2013 06:45 GMT
#1695
On January 22 2013 15:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 15:00 Alaric wrote:
On January 22 2013 14:54 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, I just finished a game as Vi with Razor's/Phage/MoBo/Mogs/Zephyr. Always dive, never not dive and do a billion damage. Then again, between first blood and the proest leash I have ever gotten my first back was phage/boots so I was already off to a very nice start.

Thanks for the stinger Vi suggestion, without a doubt superior to Brutalizer on her. Then it just becomes when, if ever, do I buy BC? XD

Since the armour reduction from BC is pretty fine with her W, but works better whenever the enemy's armour is higher (unless the flat ArPen lets you do true damage hue) I'd be against finishing BC first, if at all. After bruta, if you want defense, build some defensive stuff, if you want offense, get some more cost-efficient AD, then finish BC once they get tankier (either from items or levels) and the fights are actually somewhat drawn-out rather than bursty.

^ I like Janna but I guess with all the instant gapclosers and burst she isn't as good as she used to be (mobility creep yay) and her laning phase isn't as strong as Lulu's or Sona's. She also isn't as good offensively and with teams playing more aggressive than protective I guess she just has less synergy than she used to.

I've been toying around with options with the Stinger core, so BC was going to be delayed for quite a while. Still, it was the fastest 11k I've ever gotten in the jungle, I think. I saw the it was suggested Stinger => Phage but I'm too cc greedy. I guess it is because of how long I spent with Shyvanna as as my main jungler.

I don't like being squishy so phage good mix of offensive and defensive stats to me. I usually play like I don't have the slow anyway, it's too frustrating not to get it off in 3-4 hits and let the enemy run at 100 HP. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 07:37:45
January 22 2013 06:58 GMT
#1696
My mother taught me to never tell lies.
God Bless
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 22 2013 07:00 GMT
#1697
I really want a whole thread dedicated to people just throwing personal insults at one another

and not just to keep it out of GD, either. I'd pay money to watch gtr vs bly vs roffles.
:3
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
January 22 2013 07:04 GMT
#1698
On January 22 2013 13:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 13:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Why are there no black champions in league of legends?

Because there isn't a climate hot enough that would necessitate the evolution of darkened of skin pigments.


Small note, this is completely backwards (in terms of applying historical evolution).
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 07:08:12
January 22 2013 07:04 GMT
#1699


+ Show Spoiler +
roffles ur a pos+ Show Spoiler +
go dance


On January 22 2013 16:00 Eiii wrote:
I really want a whole thread dedicated to people just throwing personal insults at one another

and not just to keep it out of GD, either. I'd pay money to watch gtr vs bly vs roffles.


YA EXACTLY

On January 22 2013 16:04 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 13:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
On January 22 2013 13:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Why are there no black champions in league of legends?

Because there isn't a climate hot enough that would necessitate the evolution of darkened of skin pigments.


Small note, this is completely backwards (in terms of applying historical evolution).


It's not really backwards, just need to replace "evolution" with "selection."
TranslatorBaa!
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
January 22 2013 07:06 GMT
#1700
On January 22 2013 15:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 15:24 GhostOwl wrote:
On January 22 2013 06:25 Seuss wrote:
Re: bly

As far as I can tell bly posted something stupid, got corrected, tacitly admitted fault by his third post, everything was fine, but now it's a three-way shitfest between Roffles, gtr, and bly because none of them can admit being wrong to each other ever.

This is like a bad family reunion. All it needs is the marble cake that dried up in the sun and that second cousin once removed who's totally hot but it's all awkward because you're family and you don't live in a place where that's acceptable.

On January 22 2013 06:17 smOOthMayDie wrote:
What's everyones opinion on Akali? I picked her up recently and am absolutely crushing with her! I've played 24 games with her in ranked and I'm sitting at a 70% WR (17-7). Got my first penta kill with her today too!! Just seems like she does SO much damage, even on tanky targets.


She does the damages, all the damages.

What have you been building? I tried to teach Soniv the way of the ninja with Gunblade, DFG and Lichbane but he kept ulting directly into Zyra roots and knockup.


Not going to join in on the shitfest but honestly, Roffles has a god awful personality if I can manage to remember him from the maplestory thread. Since I'm not involved in TL much, I dont remember people here much but this guy was/is such a d-bag that I'm not surprised people fight with him all the time. And if random people on internet forum who is barely active can remember you from your bad personality, people irl must think you are anything but amicable. Just my 2 cents.


Saying Roffles is a jerk isn't news to anyone. People have just gotten used to it, really.


You guys are kind of dense aren't you? It should be clear to anyone that Roffles is just the most extreme case of Tsundere to be found on the internet. The guy is absolutely hilarious.
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