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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
January 18 2013 00:55 GMT
#721
I wouldn't say Own3d is dead yet, but it's definitely in a bad shape. Just look at numbers, S2 finals streams or CLG.Eu, it always goes better for twitch.
And Twitch has very well working mobile app (at least on android) while Own3d still needs flash which has disappeared on every system.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
January 18 2013 00:55 GMT
#722
On January 18 2013 08:54 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.


seriously?

Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:18:31
January 18 2013 01:16 GMT
#723
On January 18 2013 09:52 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 09:41 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESV TV

WE vs iG next (it's reboardcast, but I fell asleep last night so...)


I've seen kayle in a lot of these games - anyone know what kind of runes/masteries they are running?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/162a6i/najin_sword_ssong_kayle_guideinterview/


"dirty farming" is the korean term for wraiths/wolves
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 18 2013 01:18 GMT
#724
On January 18 2013 05:00 TheYango wrote:
You realize that the way BAT works, the effect of a BAT nerf is MAGNIFIED lategame, not reduced, right?

If it's bothering you more early game, it's an issue of comfort with the animation. Because numerically, the nerf is MORE relevant lategame, not less.

When I play Graves after an Ashe/Sivir game, I find cs-ing somewhat harder early on because of the reduced AS at the early levels (his animation may play a bit, the projectile's particle is awkward), while later on I have less AS than I'd have the previous game with the same build, but my absolute AS is still higher than early game, so it's smoother and I can get 2 minions both close to death more easily.
I guess they meant the same when they said it's strange during the early game.

On January 18 2013 05:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On January 18 2013 05:45 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good

Ezreal was a staple in Asian play long before the mana cost buff.


asian play wasnt very good at that time, so doesnt mean much. A combination of the mana costs and aggressive supports becoming much stronger, namely taric, brought ezrael into the spotlight. You guys can deny it and be hipsters or whatever, but the fact is that ezrael/sona was the only "okish" lane before, and he became much better once taric/leona became good picks.

The synergy on ez's ult and taric's new ult is stupidly efficient and will always be a good combo

I dispute the idea that Asian play "wasn't very good" at the time of the first season of OGN.

By spring of 2012, several people on TL were making the claim that WE and TPA were good enough to match up against M5, and they probably were right (though obviously there were no competitions at the time to allow confirmation of this fact).

Also, Ezreal's popularity didn't rise out of Ezreal+Sona or Ezreal+Taric/Leona. It came out of Ezreal+Soraka W-spam lanes in Asian play, which CLG learned from and brought back to Western play.


ezrael soraka?? ive never even heard of that. any western tournament that displays that lane you can find?

Out of tournaments, before the resurgence of aggressive supports you often had Soraka+Graves/Ezreal/Sivir lanes aiming at pushing all day long and poking (a lot more Graves than the other 2, Sivir having weak range and no escapes, and Ezreal lacking AoE), kinda like how Caitlyn+Nunu does now (except they aimed at nuking the waves and poked with skills rather than autos).

On January 18 2013 08:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
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On January 18 2013 08:36 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:34 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:33 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Sure, diving in and going HAM on an AD carry with no items isnt going to be effective. But that isnt the only way to play Nasus.

TBH I think even normal farming-role Nasus is partially hamstrung by the insistence on leveling Siphoning Strike when it honestly feels like his weakest skill.

Wither's slow is absolutely nuts. Spirit Fire -40 armor? Also absolutely nuts. Siphoning Strike's effectiveness pales in comparison to these IMO.


I thought you were not supposed to max Q first anyway.

People typically max it either first or second. I've never seen anyone max it last.

Literally only reason to max Q is for the CD reduction.

If it had a solid CD there would be no reason to level it.

That's something I like about him, actually (for all the mean looks he gets when I lane about one maxing Wither first): all of his skills have interesting perks that makes you want to max them as fast as possible, no real one-point wonder (Q kinda is, but what makes it that—the damage scaling on kills—is what motivates leveling it, CDR for more farming and more casts in a fight) so you have to make choices and can adapt to lane depending on what you want to achieve and who your opponent is.
Of course there are abilities going to be mainly utility (Black Shield, support Janna's Q, Graves' W... even support Nunu wouldn't need a bonkers ability in place of Consume to max it over Iceball) but too many champions have easily identifiable cookie-cutter skilling orders. The ones for whom it's most open to discussion appear to be manaless, too (Lee Sin and Riven have it discussed much more than most champs).

Maxed first (and with a sliver of AP) Spirit Fire is actually a more potent farming tool than Tormented Soil, that had so many people complaining about Morgana's laning (less range on it, and Wither isn't Black Shield against mages and ganks, of course).

I thought about Abyssal for Nasus support since it makes his ult more potent as the current meta favors HP and even drop MR itemization a lot because of triple AD comps and the reliance on Warmogs to ignore magic burst. If you can protect your AD well enough that the dive lasts, it's up to 60% max HP in magic damage over the full duration at level 11. But I expected a Yango "it's way too expensive for a support" post if I put it here (turns out he quoted it in his post too).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:25:18
January 18 2013 01:24 GMT
#725
wow xj9 playing rank5 in team with hashinshin, hate him so much i cant watch xj9 stream anymore cuz of that guy talking at skype ....
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:31:38
January 18 2013 01:27 GMT
#726
On January 18 2013 09:55 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:54 Dusty wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.


seriously?



I don't think this is really true, but it sure is suspect at times(at what their intention is with some of the posts that they like to remove). Right now the reasoning is that personal information was posted(even though this information is available publicly) and ideas that this is to create a "witch hunt". I disagree with how they(the subreddit mods) handled it, but no way to make everyone happy here.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 18 2013 01:30 GMT
#727
On January 18 2013 10:27 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 09:55 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:54 Dusty wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.


seriously?



I don't think this is really true, but it sure is suspect at times. Right now the reasoning is that personal information was posted(even though this information is available publicly) and ideas that this is to create a "witch hunt". I disagree with how they handled it, but no way to make everyone happy here.


They do have some control over the subreddit, one of the mods said it while people were bitching at the mods for the horrible new UI on there.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:36:39
January 18 2013 01:34 GMT
#728
On January 18 2013 10:30 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 10:27 ketchup wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:55 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:54 Dusty wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.


seriously?



I don't think this is really true, but it sure is suspect at times. Right now the reasoning is that personal information was posted(even though this information is available publicly) and ideas that this is to create a "witch hunt". I disagree with how they handled it, but no way to make everyone happy here.


They do have some control over the subreddit, one of the mods said it while people were bitching at the mods for the horrible new UI on there.


Are you sure that's not a misunderstanding? As far as I was aware, the decision to change the subreddit was made before Riot volunteered to do it(or at least it was similar enough timing). And this is just mostly talk I picked up on their irc. I don't know any of the mods well.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:47:11
January 18 2013 01:43 GMT
#729
On January 18 2013 09:41 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESV TV

WE vs iG next (it's reboardcast, but I fell asleep last night so...)

I think WX's farm and skills let him do well despite his build, not due to it.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 18 2013 01:44 GMT
#730
Watching WE vs iG... Ez had a full build at 400cs and he's still the one clearing lanes >> He's at 500cs with still EXACTLY THE SAME BUILD. How is that useful to the team ? ><
The legend of Darien lives on
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 18 2013 01:52 GMT
#731
On January 18 2013 10:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Watching WE vs iG... Ez had a full build at 400cs and he's still the one clearing lanes >> He's at 500cs with still EXACTLY THE SAME BUILD. How is that useful to the team ? ><


Yeah, not too useful especially considering there's no buyback feature like there is in DotA
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
January 18 2013 01:54 GMT
#732
On January 18 2013 10:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Watching WE vs iG... Ez had a full build at 400cs and he's still the one clearing lanes >> He's at 500cs with still EXACTLY THE SAME BUILD. How is that useful to the team ? ><

Once you get into the groove it's hard to stop you know

Kidding aside, he overdid it a bit, but on the other hand he was pretty much their only waveclear at that point, so what was he supposed to do? Let singed farm it?

That was a fun game all in all, even if IG made some very strange calls in the middle teamfights (I'd have thought they would absolutly prioritize killing ezreal, instead they went after him as 3rd or 4th guy).
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 01:56:21
January 18 2013 01:55 GMT
#733
On January 18 2013 10:54 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 10:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Watching WE vs iG... Ez had a full build at 400cs and he's still the one clearing lanes >> He's at 500cs with still EXACTLY THE SAME BUILD. How is that useful to the team ? ><

Once you get into the groove it's hard to stop you know

Kidding aside, he overdid it a bit, but on the other hand he was pretty much their only waveclear at that point, so what was he supposed to do? Let singed farm it?

That was a fun game all in all, even if IG made some very strange calls in the middle teamfights (I'd have thought they would absolutly prioritize killing ezreal, instead they went after him as 3rd or 4th guy).


Yes, let some of his underfarmed team farm. That's exactly what he's supposed to do. Allow this while he roams with one of his tanks to harrass(or whatever they think necessary)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 18 2013 01:57 GMT
#734
Use the SWL thread please~
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 18 2013 02:05 GMT
#735
On January 18 2013 10:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Use the SWL thread please~


Why not both? wooo
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 18 2013 02:18 GMT
#736
On January 18 2013 11:05 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 10:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Use the SWL thread please~


Why not both? wooo


Because it splits the discussion. Why do that?
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Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
January 18 2013 02:25 GMT
#737
O god. Kayle o u o;; New skins / animation so nice
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 18 2013 02:27 GMT
#738
On January 18 2013 11:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 11:05 ketchup wrote:
On January 18 2013 10:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Use the SWL thread please~


Why not both? wooo


Because it splits the discussion. Why do that?


I'm just joking. Not meant to be serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 02:51:28
January 18 2013 02:28 GMT
#739
On January 18 2013 11:27 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 11:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 18 2013 11:05 ketchup wrote:
On January 18 2013 10:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Use the SWL thread please~


Why not both? wooo


Because it splits the discussion. Why do that?


I'm just joking. Not meant to be serious.

Neither was my bad post, removed now.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 18 2013 02:30 GMT
#740
On January 18 2013 11:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 11:05 ketchup wrote:
On January 18 2013 10:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Use the SWL thread please~


Why not both? wooo


Because it splits the discussion. Why do that?

Speaking of splitting discussion....
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