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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
January 17 2013 23:49 GMT
#701
On January 18 2013 08:46 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:36 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:34 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:33 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Sure, diving in and going HAM on an AD carry with no items isnt going to be effective. But that isnt the only way to play Nasus.

TBH I think even normal farming-role Nasus is partially hamstrung by the insistence on leveling Siphoning Strike when it honestly feels like his weakest skill.

Wither's slow is absolutely nuts. Spirit Fire -40 armor? Also absolutely nuts. Siphoning Strike's effectiveness pales in comparison to these IMO.


I thought you were not supposed to max Q first anyway.

People typically max it either first or second. I've never seen anyone max it last.

Literally only reason to max Q is for the CD reduction.

If it had a solid CD there would be no reason to level it.


Lower CD at the cost of higher mana cost. Really sweet deal man.


In S2 you made up for it by getting a philo into shurelya's, but I have no clue how its supposed to be done now.


Chalice! Mikael's is super sweet on dog.
Hey! How you doin'?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 23:53:25
January 17 2013 23:50 GMT
#702
On January 18 2013 08:47 wei2coolman wrote:
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On January 18 2013 08:34 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.destiny.gg/n/own3d-tv-a-beginners-guide-to-being-an-asshole/

I know its destiny but hes been a big guy in the streaming business for a while. Own3d is going to be dieing after this.

Own3d steam always seemed to be a lower quality in comparison to twitch, for the most part.

I dunno if Own3d is going to be dead, but as far as I was concerned, twitch just had much better platform.

What amazes me the most about both is that both are completely inept at fixing their volume sliders.

Own3D requires a pin-point specific grab and often starts the dial at 'full' when it's truly at half (you have to slide it down and then back up for full). Twitch ALWAYS turns on with volume audible, even when the volume is checked as muted and the dial all the way down -- you have unmute and mute again to fix it.

On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.

Then they should post it in a different subreddit.
Posts must be directly related to League of Legends.


It's tangentially related at best and going to do nothing but stir up angst.
twitch.tv/cratonz
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
January 17 2013 23:53 GMT
#703
On January 18 2013 08:04 AsnSensation wrote:
hahaha oh my god listening to MrFnatiq, I'm in tears, will definitely check out his stream when it's on.

Btw. Not meant to be offensive, but why is it mostly that black people use the phrase " you know what I'm saying" as a filler in their sentences? For instance I know Cali people like to use alot of "like" as, Day9 comes to mind. But I have never seen a white dude use ykwIs.

pls enlighten a nonnative speaker

http://clgaming.net/news/424-clg-partners-with-azubu


It basically means "I hope you are on the same page as me" like "Right?" (rhetorical form).
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 17 2013 23:54 GMT
#704
Destiny is a pretty big dick and all, but even he shouldn't have to stand for the way he was treated (assuming all is true).
Say what you want about the guy, at least he's passionate.

The worst thing about Own3d for me when I used it, was the horrible VOD system. Impossible to find a straight list of past VODs, and even when you could, if you ever tried to fast forward in a video, it would just add arbitrary lengths onto the end of the timer of the video so you could never tell where the fuck you were.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 17 2013 23:54 GMT
#705
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 18 2013 00:00 GMT
#706
Fucking Voyboy, even Nyjacky is playing Kat like voy >.>, warmogs first, into sunfire.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 18 2013 00:08 GMT
#707
On January 18 2013 09:00 wei2coolman wrote:
Fucking Voyboy, even Nyjacky is playing Kat like voy >.>, warmogs first, into sunfire.

When did warmogs rush first happen?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 18 2013 00:08 GMT
#708
On January 18 2013 08:54 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Apparently /r/leagueoflegends mods are removing all the direct links to destiny's article. Don't know why they're being such anuses about this, to me it seems like a legitimate concern that should be heard and analyzed.


If own3d is a partner of Riot Games, that may very well be a reason enough on its own, since Riot actually has some control over the subreddit.

Oh snap, didn't take long to get conspiracy theories rolling.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 18 2013 00:08 GMT
#709
Destiny should report them for breach of contract and failure to pay wages. If he can get the contract voided on the grounds that own3d violated it first, he won't be liable to pay them shit. 6 months late on payments is fucking absurd. This shit goes to court when people haven't been paid after just 2 weeks.

Also you people should take business law (contract law) regardless of what you are being educated for. Hell Sears tried to rip my dad off for about 40 bucks because he didn't know any better.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 00:12:38
January 18 2013 00:12 GMT
#710
On January 18 2013 09:08 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Destiny should report them for breach of contract and failure to pay wages. If he can get the contract voided on the grounds that own3d violated it first, he won't be liable to pay them shit. 6 months late on payments is fucking absurd. This shit goes to court when people haven't been paid after just 2 weeks.

Also you people should take business law (contract law) regardless of what you are being educated for. Hell Sears tried to rip my dad off for about 40 bucks because he didn't know any better.

Unfortunately I my contracts class hasnt got that far yet. Only doin consideration.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 18 2013 00:12 GMT
#711
On January 18 2013 09:08 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 09:00 wei2coolman wrote:
Fucking Voyboy, even Nyjacky is playing Kat like voy >.>, warmogs first, into sunfire.

When did warmogs rush first happen?

Voyboys been doing for a month now, and to great success. It's pretty much dependent on the fact that you'll stay alive long enough for resets, that combined with base damages, you'l be doing insane damage output. It's also great for shoving lanes super hard, as your tankiness +mobility almost garuntees that you'll be able to get out of any chasing scenario.
liftlift > tsm
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 18 2013 00:12 GMT
#712
Stream is starting in about 17 mins, http://www.twitch.tv/ggchronicle.

Like i said earlier, probably need some criticism on my commentary, first time doing it live so yeah..
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 18 2013 00:14 GMT
#713
On January 18 2013 07:36 Requizen wrote:
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On January 18 2013 07:25 Seuss wrote:
Support Nasus is an interesting concept, but I don't see it working at the competitive level. Cleanse/QSS/Crucible are strong counters, and his ultimate isn't enough to make him scary on a support's income.

But as part of a kill lane, or as the champion being supported, he has some potential. So long as he is allowed to farm up his Q he can be terrifying. You'd want a partner who could follow up W (e.g. Urgot E->Q Spam, Pantheon or Talon death combo, Taric for maximum Armor Reduction lulz), but there are plenty of situations where a 700 range slow can lead to pain and suffering for the afflicted.

However, since you want the Nasus in that lane to be doing the farming, who could you get to follow it up who can subsist on support salary? Probably the "non-support supports" like Zyra and Elise with high base damages.

Elise especially, since she can wear down with Neurotoxin, then follow a Wither up with Spider QW spam. With Zyra, Wither would guarantee roots and ult more or less. Mite b cool.


Nasus doesn't necessarily need to take all the farm, you simply want his Q to stack up as much as possible. Nasus' lane partner need only be cognizant of Q's cooldown. They can take anything that would perish before Nasus Q is available, and thus get share farm.

If you wanted to give Nasus everything, any of the typical kill lane supports could work (e.g. Taric, Leona, Blitz, Alistar). It's not like Nasus lacks damage once he's in melee range.

On January 18 2013 08:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 07:25 Seuss wrote:
Support Nasus is an interesting concept, but I don't see it working at the competitive level. Cleanse/QSS/Crucible are strong counters, and his ultimate isn't enough to make him scary on a support's income.

But as part of a kill lane, or as the champion being supported, he has some potential. So long as he is allowed to farm up his Q he can be terrifying. You'd want a partner who could follow up W (e.g. Urgot E->Q Spam, Pantheon or Talon death combo, Taric for maximum Armor Reduction lulz), but there are plenty of situations where a 700 range slow can lead to pain and suffering for the afflicted.

I think it could be made to work as a full support on a supports income. It would just require a different style of play than typical farmed Nasus or another support.

A 0 farm Nasus could, hypothetically, be an incredibly useful peeler. Aegis+Ulti+Wither+E could be an excellent way to erect a temporary backstop to let your AD pick apart whatever bruiser is diving him without exposing Nasus to too much damage that could kill him. Plus, while not as strong as a bruiser, that combination of skills should enable him to at least survive a few hits.

Contrast that with someone like Sona. She has her ult, but after that, she really isnt going to be able to get in between the enemy and your side without just feeding.

Sure, diving in and going HAM on an AD carry with no items isnt going to be effective. But that isnt the only way to play Nasus.


You don't pick Sona, Zyra, or Nami to peel for a carry, but to help lock down the entire enemy team. If you want to contrast Nasus with supports chosen for peeling potential, you want to look at champions like Blitzcrank, Leona, Alistar, Lulu etc.

Nasus' obvious flaw compared to any of those supports is that he only has one ability which can be used in the direct support of the survival of his carry. Single points of failure are dangerous. There are summoner spells, items, and entire classes of champions which can invalidate or ignore the ability, leaving your carry effectively unprotected.

Against an unprepared team I can see support Nasus destroying teams with Wither, but if this were to become popular the counters are too obvious and too easy for it to last. That said, don't let me dissuade you from testing it further and analyzing your experiences.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 18 2013 00:36 GMT
#714
This is kind of crazy talk that really probably should go in the TROLLS thread, but honestly I don't see Nasus as a hero that needs to be a damage dealer. But it's perennially and repeatedly stated that Nasus' weakness is his inability to gap close/fully output his damage.

You have Wither, which is quite franky one of the most ridiculous point-and-click disables in the game. You have high baseline damage (high base damage on E, % max HP damage on ult that also gives you AD based on the siphoned damage). You have one of the most powerful flat armor reductions in the game (compare the armor reduction to Gatling Gun--Spirit Fire INSTANTLY applies the full armor reduction value that Corki has to channel an entire cast of Gatling Gun to get). Just stack the living daylights out of team defensive/utility items (Locket, Bulwark, Abyssal, Zeke's, etc.), and who gives a shit if you do damage? Your presence in fights solely out of auras and repeated skill usage is enough.

The paradigm should be likened to Beastmaster in DotA. Beyond your initiating ability, all he is is an aura bot. He has no gap closers, no peeling ability, no notable damage dealing ability past the early-midgame. What he has is high baseline survivability, and an insane aura. You just stack the shit out of defensive/supportive aura items and maintain a presence solely from the fact that you make everyone else stronger by that much. And it's actually enough to make him a ridiculously strong teamfight hero.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 18 2013 00:39 GMT
#715
Holy fuck that login screen. Riot 2 gud.
It's your boy Guzma!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 18 2013 00:39 GMT
#716
On January 18 2013 09:36 TheYango wrote:
This is kind of crazy talk that really probably should go in the TROLLS thread, but honestly I don't see Nasus as a hero that needs to be a damage dealer. But it's perennially and repeatedly stated that Nasus' weakness is his inability to gap close/fully output his damage.

You have Wither, which is quite franky one of the most ridiculous point-and-click disables in the game. You have high baseline damage (high base damage on E, % max HP damage on ult that also gives you AD based on the siphoned damage). You have one of the most powerful flat armor reductions in the game (compare the armor reduction to Gatling Gun--Spirit Fire INSTANTLY applies the full armor reduction value that Corki has to channel an entire cast of Gatling Gun to get). Just stack the living daylights out of team defensive/utility items (Locket, Bulwark, Abyssal, Zeke's, etc.), and who gives a shit if you do damage? Your presence in fights solely out of auras and repeated skill usage is enough.

The paradigm should be likened to Beastmaster in DotA. Beyond your initiating ability, all he is is an aura bot. He has no gap closers, no peeling ability, no notable damage dealing ability past the early-midgame. What he has is high baseline survivability, and an insane aura. You just stack the shit out of defensive/supportive aura items and maintain a presence solely from the fact that you make everyone else stronger by that much. And it's actually enough to make him a ridiculously strong teamfight hero.


Yes, please.

If you prove it's not crazy talk, back it up with empirical evidence, tyty.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 18 2013 00:41 GMT
#717
On January 18 2013 09:39 Requizen wrote:
Holy fuck that login screen. Riot 2 gud.


Her face... wtf.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 18 2013 00:41 GMT
#718
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESV TV

WE vs iG next (it's reboardcast, but I fell asleep last night so...)
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 18 2013 00:47 GMT
#719
On January 18 2013 09:39 Requizen wrote:
Holy fuck that login screen. Riot 2 gud.


you had me hoping for thresh
Carrilord has arrived.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
January 18 2013 00:52 GMT
#720
On January 18 2013 09:41 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESV TV

WE vs iG next (it's reboardcast, but I fell asleep last night so...)


I've seen kayle in a lot of these games - anyone know what kind of runes/masteries they are running?
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