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On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against.
Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now.
So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great.
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On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal.
his E actually reduces 20 to 40 armor depending on level of it.
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On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down?
True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet?
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On January 18 2013 06:48 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet?
Not yet, although I have a sneaking suspicion Ez (mobility) or MF (damage) or basically anyone with burst would be incredibly good.
On January 18 2013 06:47 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now. So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great.
Get supporty tanky items and do Nasus things. They still cant ignore you, and even if you are really weak getting a wither and E off is enough to destroy a teamfight.
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On January 18 2013 06:50 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:48 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet? Not yet, although I have a sneaking suspicion Ez (mobility) or MF (damage) or basically anyone with burst would be incredibly good. Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:47 Requizen wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now. So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great. Get supporty tanky items and do Nasus things. They still cant ignore you, and even if you are really weak getting a wither and E off is enough to destroy a teamfight.
Would be pretty ridic if you had some kind of aoe cc to combo Nasus E and MF ult. Amumu ult with that shit on top would shred any team down. Esp because armor reduction is the first in the line to be applied, and Nasus E has the highest amount of reduction on any champ (Except Heimer, but that doesn't really count, impossible to get to 50 stacks, and Corki full gatling damage.)
Nasus Urgot could be good too.
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On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down?
You run up to them with super robot legs and punch them in the dick? And have an AoE silence?
I can sort of see the merits of support Nasus but I just don't think he brings enough to the table to warrant it. Yeah, best single target slow in the game is great for laning, but AoE armor reduction doesn't seem supporty enough for lategame teamfights when you do pretty much nothing else.
I dunno, I love me some Nasus though so I'll use any excuse to bust him out. Maybe I'll duo T.R.O.L.L.S tonight with Soniv.
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On January 18 2013 06:58 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:50 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:48 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet? Not yet, although I have a sneaking suspicion Ez (mobility) or MF (damage) or basically anyone with burst would be incredibly good. On January 18 2013 06:47 Requizen wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now. So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great. Get supporty tanky items and do Nasus things. They still cant ignore you, and even if you are really weak getting a wither and E off is enough to destroy a teamfight. Would be pretty ridic if you had some kind of aoe cc to combo Nasus E and MF ult. Amumu ult with that shit on top would shred any team down. Esp because armor reduction is the first in the line to be applied, and Nasus E has the highest amount of reduction on any champ (Except Heimer, but that doesn't really count, impossible to get to 50 stacks, and Corki full gatling damage.) Nasus Urgot could be good too.
Nasus + anyone with strong sustained trade would be strong. Draven/MF for sure, maybe even moreso than Taric. It's essentially Nunu's Iceball with a longer CD and no damage, but better AS/MS slow and a longer duration (though lower overall uptime). So any AD that wants to auto for a couple seconds (rather than poke like Ez) will appreciate it.
On January 18 2013 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? You run up to them with super robot legs and punch them in the dick? And have an AoE silence? I can sort of see the merits of support Nasus but I just don't think he brings enough to the table to warrant it. Yeah, best single target slow in the game is great for laning, but AoE armor reduction doesn't seem supporty enough for lategame teamfights when you do pretty much nothing else. I dunno, I love me some Nasus though so I'll use any excuse to bust him out. Maybe I'll duo T.R.O.L.L.S tonight with Soniv.
You also do % health AoE and get tanky as shit with your ult up, moreso than Blitz or Nunu can boast.
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On January 18 2013 07:04 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:58 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:50 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:48 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet? Not yet, although I have a sneaking suspicion Ez (mobility) or MF (damage) or basically anyone with burst would be incredibly good. On January 18 2013 06:47 Requizen wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now. So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great. Get supporty tanky items and do Nasus things. They still cant ignore you, and even if you are really weak getting a wither and E off is enough to destroy a teamfight. Would be pretty ridic if you had some kind of aoe cc to combo Nasus E and MF ult. Amumu ult with that shit on top would shred any team down. Esp because armor reduction is the first in the line to be applied, and Nasus E has the highest amount of reduction on any champ (Except Heimer, but that doesn't really count, impossible to get to 50 stacks, and Corki full gatling damage.) Nasus Urgot could be good too. Nasus + anyone with strong sustained trade would be strong. Draven/MF for sure, maybe even moreso than Taric. It's essentially Nunu's Iceball with a longer CD and no damage, but better AS/MS slow and a longer duration (though lower overall uptime). So any AD that wants to auto for a couple seconds (rather than poke like Ez) will appreciate it. Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? You run up to them with super robot legs and punch them in the dick? And have an AoE silence? I can sort of see the merits of support Nasus but I just don't think he brings enough to the table to warrant it. Yeah, best single target slow in the game is great for laning, but AoE armor reduction doesn't seem supporty enough for lategame teamfights when you do pretty much nothing else. I dunno, I love me some Nasus though so I'll use any excuse to bust him out. Maybe I'll duo T.R.O.L.L.S tonight with Soniv. You also do % health AoE and get tanky as shit with your ult up, moreso than Blitz or Nunu can boast.
Weak %health AoE (radius is tiny) and 600hp gained at 16. Blitz has massive mana shield and Nunu has highest base HP gain in game. I would argue Nunu's cc as support lategame isn't great either if it weren't for his batshit crazy self+friend buff, AS+slow debuffing single target ability and an absolutely massive slow and damaging AoE (mostly used for slow or peeling potential as support)
Again I sort of see some potential, but he just doesn't seem nearly as useful utility-wise as most other supports. Niche comps it could work, such as the aforementioned Bullet Hell.
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Looking at the Chinese New Years skins make me wanna watch Mulan and play Dynasty Warriors again.
Holy shit I knew I was getting the J4 skin but that Corki looks too good to pass up.
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Also, red pots really stronk, at least for me. I've started buying red pots earlier on when I play AD and it makes quite some difference on how easy people can dive. It might have to do with me being terrible and taking far more damage than I should, but it helps me win games 
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Would have been awesome to see Sejuani riding around on a Chinese dragon rather than yet another Corki skin but oh well. Guqin Sona still best Chinese skin and best Sona skin.
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On January 18 2013 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 07:04 Requizen wrote:On January 18 2013 06:58 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:50 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:48 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? True. Garen + Nasus you said? Have you tried Nasus and a standard ADC yet? Not yet, although I have a sneaking suspicion Ez (mobility) or MF (damage) or basically anyone with burst would be incredibly good. On January 18 2013 06:47 Requizen wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. Well, double bruiser is pretty good right now. So what do you do late game as support Nasus? Wither someone and then try to stand in the middle of their team with your ult on? Seems fun, but doubt it's that great. Get supporty tanky items and do Nasus things. They still cant ignore you, and even if you are really weak getting a wither and E off is enough to destroy a teamfight. Would be pretty ridic if you had some kind of aoe cc to combo Nasus E and MF ult. Amumu ult with that shit on top would shred any team down. Esp because armor reduction is the first in the line to be applied, and Nasus E has the highest amount of reduction on any champ (Except Heimer, but that doesn't really count, impossible to get to 50 stacks, and Corki full gatling damage.) Nasus Urgot could be good too. Nasus + anyone with strong sustained trade would be strong. Draven/MF for sure, maybe even moreso than Taric. It's essentially Nunu's Iceball with a longer CD and no damage, but better AS/MS slow and a longer duration (though lower overall uptime). So any AD that wants to auto for a couple seconds (rather than poke like Ez) will appreciate it. On January 18 2013 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 18 2013 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:
Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.
A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against. But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD? It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal. His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down? You run up to them with super robot legs and punch them in the dick? And have an AoE silence? I can sort of see the merits of support Nasus but I just don't think he brings enough to the table to warrant it. Yeah, best single target slow in the game is great for laning, but AoE armor reduction doesn't seem supporty enough for lategame teamfights when you do pretty much nothing else. I dunno, I love me some Nasus though so I'll use any excuse to bust him out. Maybe I'll duo T.R.O.L.L.S tonight with Soniv. You also do % health AoE and get tanky as shit with your ult up, moreso than Blitz or Nunu can boast. Weak %health AoE (radius is tiny) and 600hp gained at 16. Blitz has massive mana shield and Nunu has highest base HP gain in game. I would argue Nunu's cc as support lategame isn't great either if it weren't for his batshit crazy self+friend buff, AS+slow debuffing single target ability and an absolutely massive slow and damaging AoE (mostly used for slow or peeling potential as support) Again I sort of see some potential, but he just doesn't seem nearly as useful utility-wise as most other supports. Niche comps it could work, such as the aforementioned Bullet Hell.
Sure the radius is tiny, but if you can get 2 people on it it supplements your health nicely, especially in the "build Warmog's" meta. I'm not advocating it by any means, unfarmed Nasus seems silly to me, but I'm just listing things that could make it ok.
However, if you could put him in a duo lane and let him farm while the other bruiser/support did the 0 CS thing, it might be interesting. He doesn't necessarily need levels for Q to get out of control (though they help), and while higher levels of Wither are great, low levels are nothing to sneeze at. Help me think of a champ who has strong sustained damage without items that would benefit from laning with Nasus.
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Support Nasus is an interesting concept, but I don't see it working at the competitive level. Cleanse/QSS/Crucible are strong counters, and his ultimate isn't enough to make him scary on a support's income.
But as part of a kill lane, or as the champion being supported, he has some potential. So long as he is allowed to farm up his Q he can be terrifying. You'd want a partner who could follow up W (e.g. Urgot E->Q Spam, Pantheon or Talon death combo, Taric for maximum Armor Reduction lulz), but there are plenty of situations where a 700 range slow can lead to pain and suffering for the afflicted.
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On January 18 2013 07:21 TheLink wrote:
Would have been awesome to see Sejuani riding around on a Chinese dragon rather than yet another Corki skin but oh well. Guqin Sona still best Chinese skin and best Sona skin.
Joystick Sona disagrees with you.
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I am pretty sure crucible doesn't remove attack speed debuffs including the Wither, I am not 100% sure but that's what it looked like when I got crucible as skarner against nasus. Those were sad days 
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On January 18 2013 07:25 Seuss wrote:
Support Nasus is an interesting concept, but I don't see it working at the competitive level. Cleanse/QSS/Crucible are strong counters, and his ultimate isn't enough to make him scary on a support's income.
But as part of a kill lane, or as the champion being supported, he has some potential. So long as he is allowed to farm up his Q he can be terrifying. You'd want a partner who could follow up W (e.g. Urgot E->Q Spam, Pantheon or Talon death combo, Taric for maximum Armor Reduction lulz), but there are plenty of situations where a 700 range slow can lead to pain and suffering for the afflicted.
However, since you want the Nasus in that lane to be doing the farming, who could you get to follow it up who can subsist on support salary? Probably the "non-support supports" like Zyra and Elise with high base damages.
Elise especially, since she can wear down with Neurotoxin, then follow a Wither up with Spider QW spam. With Zyra, Wither would guarantee roots and ult more or less. Mite b cool.
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On January 18 2013 02:49 Roffles wrote:
FANATIQ. That guy's mucho hilarioso.
He makes his return on Clakey D's stream.
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Wave & Req, I'm sick, too sick to play.
Stream for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
/phantom of the opera
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Also I'm not really sure what Nasus brings to the table that Blitzcrank does not. Wither is maybe better than rocket grab at level 1, but probably worse at level 18.
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On January 18 2013 07:49 Ketara wrote:
Also I'm not really sure what Nasus brings to the table that Blitzcrank does not. Wither is maybe better than rocket grab at level 1, but probably worse at level 18.
Except Wither can't miss. While a hook is mostly a guaranteed kill, a missed hook is naught but wasted mana and a big window for the enemy to make a play on you. Wither removes any autoattacker from the fight for it's duration, and while it's not a guaranteed kill, it helps immensely. Not enough to be a viable support, but worth noting.
I'll stream a game or two when I get home in ~hour.5
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