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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2013 20:44 GMT
#641
On January 18 2013 05:43 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good


likewise, gragas mana costs made him god -> shit tier
and mana is the reason rumble and riven will always be too good
HMMMMM

Solution: remove all champion's mana, put all ultimates on 20 second cooldowns.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 20:49:03
January 17 2013 20:45 GMT
#642
On January 18 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good

Ezreal was a staple in Asian play long before the mana cost buff.


asian play wasnt very good at that time, so doesnt mean much. A combination of the mana costs and aggressive supports becoming much stronger, namely taric, brought ezrael into the spotlight. You guys can deny it and be hipsters or whatever, but the fact is that ezrael/sona was the only "okish" lane before, and he became much better once taric/leona became good picks.

The synergy on ez's ult and taric's new ult is stupidly efficient and will always be a good combo

I dispute the idea that Asian play "wasn't very good" at the time of the first season of OGN.

By spring of 2012, several people on TL were making the claim that WE and TPA were good enough to match up against M5, and they probably were right (though obviously there were no competitions at the time to allow confirmation of this fact).

Also, Ezreal's popularity didn't rise out of Ezreal+Sona or Ezreal+Taric/Leona. It came out of Ezreal+Soraka W-spam lanes in Asian play, which CLG learned from and brought back to Western play.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 17 2013 20:50 GMT
#643
On January 18 2013 05:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good

Ezreal was a staple in Asian play long before the mana cost buff.


asian play wasnt very good at that time, so doesnt mean much. A combination of the mana costs and aggressive supports becoming much stronger, namely taric, brought ezrael into the spotlight. You guys can deny it and be hipsters or whatever, but the fact is that ezrael/sona was the only "okish" lane before, and he became much better once taric/leona became good picks.

The synergy on ez's ult and taric's new ult is stupidly efficient and will always be a good combo

I dispute the idea that Asian play "wasn't very good" at the time of the first season of OGN.

By spring of 2012, several people on TL were making the claim that WE and TPA were good enough to match up against M5, and they probably were right (though obviously there were no competitions at the time to allow confirmation of this fact).

Also, Ezreal's popularity didn't rise out of Ezreal+Sona or Ezreal+Taric/Leona. It came out of Ezreal+Soraka W-spam lanes in Asian play, which CLG learned from and brought back to Western play.


ezrael soraka?? ive never even heard of that. any western tournament that displays that lane you can find?
I come in for the scraps
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 17 2013 20:52 GMT
#644
Didn't he start to get popular from the pretty iconic alistar/ezreal chinese lane?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 21:04:11
January 17 2013 20:58 GMT
#645
On January 17 2013 19:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 19:10 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:02 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait it's not live yet? Or is it over already?


Diamond does the rebroadcast for american viewers but ESL Asia does a live broadcast. Started now on the ESL Asia stream


ok ty

you are welcome! :D


I think we need another forum post which only allows the posting of "minor" tournament stream links.

I've actually talked to Neo about this recently, he said it it was something we should be implementing in the subforum revamp.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
January 17 2013 21:01 GMT
#646
Are there special key words in the riot support to get them to read a ticket faster? Or is it just kind of a per basis thing. Because i really dont want to wait 4 days for someone to respond to my account being stolen.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 17 2013 21:10 GMT
#647
only thing that popularized Ezreal in the west was the Pulsefire Skin and the doublelift pentakill at MLG Anaheim :D
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 17 2013 21:11 GMT
#648
or the 100% win lane w max
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 17 2013 21:15 GMT
#649
Just had a game with Koggles where I had a Nunu jungle and a Lulu support. Most fun I've had in ages. Dat deeps from Blood boil and then the protection from Lulu, so hilarious.

Also Lulu is pretty strong vs Akali, that stealth prevent E.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 21:18:23
January 17 2013 21:18 GMT
#650
On January 18 2013 06:01 Cixah wrote:
Are there special key words in the riot support to get them to read a ticket faster? Or is it just kind of a per basis thing. Because i really dont want to wait 4 days for someone to respond to my account being stolen.


Less of words, more "draw a picture of your favorite champion."

Srsly though, they've never taken long with me.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 17 2013 21:18 GMT
#651
On January 18 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 19:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:10 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:02 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait it's not live yet? Or is it over already?


Diamond does the rebroadcast for american viewers but ESL Asia does a live broadcast. Started now on the ESL Asia stream


ok ty

you are welcome! :D


I think we need another forum post which only allows the posting of "minor" tournament stream links.

I've actually talked to Neo about this recently, he said it it was something we should be implementing in the subforum revamp.


Swanky.
Can we get a preview?
What kind of stuff are we getting?

IM REALLY EXCITED
(OR REALLY EASILY EXCITABLE)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 17 2013 21:19 GMT
#652
On January 18 2013 05:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:45 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good

Ezreal was a staple in Asian play long before the mana cost buff.


asian play wasnt very good at that time, so doesnt mean much. A combination of the mana costs and aggressive supports becoming much stronger, namely taric, brought ezrael into the spotlight. You guys can deny it and be hipsters or whatever, but the fact is that ezrael/sona was the only "okish" lane before, and he became much better once taric/leona became good picks.

The synergy on ez's ult and taric's new ult is stupidly efficient and will always be a good combo

I dispute the idea that Asian play "wasn't very good" at the time of the first season of OGN.

By spring of 2012, several people on TL were making the claim that WE and TPA were good enough to match up against M5, and they probably were right (though obviously there were no competitions at the time to allow confirmation of this fact).

Also, Ezreal's popularity didn't rise out of Ezreal+Sona or Ezreal+Taric/Leona. It came out of Ezreal+Soraka W-spam lanes in Asian play, which CLG learned from and brought back to Western play.


ezrael soraka?? ive never even heard of that. any western tournament that displays that lane you can find?


Back when Soraka was super-OP? Yea Soraka worked with everyone.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 21:23:15
January 17 2013 21:19 GMT
#653
On January 18 2013 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:10 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:02 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait it's not live yet? Or is it over already?


Diamond does the rebroadcast for american viewers but ESL Asia does a live broadcast. Started now on the ESL Asia stream


ok ty

you are welcome! :D


I think we need another forum post which only allows the posting of "minor" tournament stream links.

I've actually talked to Neo about this recently, he said it it was something we should be implementing in the subforum revamp.


Swanky.
Can we get a preview?
What kind of stuff are we getting?

IM REALLY EXCITED
(OR REALLY EASILY EXCITABLE)

I was forbidden from answering specific questions lol
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 17 2013 21:23 GMT
#654
On January 18 2013 06:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:10 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:02 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait it's not live yet? Or is it over already?


Diamond does the rebroadcast for american viewers but ESL Asia does a live broadcast. Started now on the ESL Asia stream


ok ty

you are welcome! :D


I think we need another forum post which only allows the posting of "minor" tournament stream links.

I've actually talked to Neo about this recently, he said it it was something we should be implementing in the subforum revamp.


Swanky.
Can we get a preview?
What kind of stuff are we getting?

IM REALLY EXCITED
(OR REALLY EASILY EXCITABLE)

I was forbidden from answering specific questions lol


KEEP IT SECRET, KEEP IT SAFE.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2013 21:25 GMT
#655
On January 18 2013 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:10 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 17 2013 19:02 Chexx wrote:
On January 17 2013 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh wait it's not live yet? Or is it over already?


Diamond does the rebroadcast for american viewers but ESL Asia does a live broadcast. Started now on the ESL Asia stream


ok ty

you are welcome! :D


I think we need another forum post which only allows the posting of "minor" tournament stream links.

I've actually talked to Neo about this recently, he said it it was something we should be implementing in the subforum revamp.


Swanky.
Can we get a preview?
What kind of stuff are we getting?

IM REALLY EXCITED
(OR REALLY EASILY EXCITABLE)

Calm down Wave. Go back to being angry and sullen about the new rating system.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 17 2013 21:26 GMT
#656
On January 18 2013 05:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
On January 18 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
he got his mana costs fixed, which can easily make a champion go from shit to good

Ezreal was a staple in Asian play long before the mana cost buff.


asian play wasnt very good at that time, so doesnt mean much. A combination of the mana costs and aggressive supports becoming much stronger, namely taric, brought ezrael into the spotlight. You guys can deny it and be hipsters or whatever, but the fact is that ezrael/sona was the only "okish" lane before, and he became much better once taric/leona became good picks.

The synergy on ez's ult and taric's new ult is stupidly efficient and will always be a good combo

I dispute the idea that Asian play "wasn't very good" at the time of the first season of OGN.

By spring of 2012, several people on TL were making the claim that WE and TPA were good enough to match up against M5, and they probably were right (though obviously there were no competitions at the time to allow confirmation of this fact).

Also, Ezreal's popularity didn't rise out of Ezreal+Sona or Ezreal+Taric/Leona. It came out of Ezreal+Soraka W-spam lanes in Asian play, which CLG learned from and brought back to Western play.


While Asian play wasn't AS good at the time, the individual skill, especially the in bot lane, were there for everybody to see despite the overall team coordination and late-game experience not entirely developed. The teams were probably about even with the west at the time (as opposed to far ahead like they are now). EZ was very popular because of the overall midgame-oriented playstyle that Asian teams tended towards in contrast to the afkfarm/turtle of CLG and TSM, which favored carries who scaled better than EZ lategame
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2013 21:41 GMT
#657
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:

Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.

A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 17 2013 21:44 GMT
#658
On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:

Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.

A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against.


But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD?

It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
January 17 2013 21:46 GMT
#659
On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:

Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.

A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against.


But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD?

It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal.

I mean, the armor debuff is pretty mean too, especially against champs like Draven and Sivir that have a difficult time getting out of it when withered
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2013 21:47 GMT
#660
On January 18 2013 06:44 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 06:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Quick thing from last nights troll games with 5hit:

Nasus support may be sneaky really really good. Wither pretty much gives you free reign to go in and chunk someone because of the massive AS AND MS slow. Plus Nasus really likes Aegis and locket and all those supporty items anyway, and his ult gives him a bit of tank to work with.

A Garen+Nasus bot lane shat all over the Twitch Nami lane we were against.


But his W is like all he has though. Won't people take advantage of the window when it's on CD?

It is kinda like a mini exhaust though. And it's ranged, which is a big deal.

His E has armor shred, which is noice too. And it really isnt any different from a support with an abusable CD: what do you do when Bliz hook is down?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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