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On January 31 2013 02:28 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:21 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 31 2013 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i like how wingsofdeath's commentary makes it seem like he rarely makes mistake and it's other people's fault, and that he's always the mannered one. But really, he has the shitty ass standard solo queue it's me against the world, i'm the messiah you're all trash attitude And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. and the ray lewis is a murderer circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. wtf Dylan, that doesn't even make sense... I am making a comparison to the dismissive attitude of bad manners in esports to the dismissive attitude of crimes in professional sports, namely football, where they get off with great lenience or sometimes altogether. Just because he is a streamer does not put him above other people. if you are putting yourself out there in the public you are subject to criticism, especially truthful criticism. Cause posting it in this thread is really helpful in providing useful criticism and really helps promote discussion. Definitely doesn't derail the thread... Cause murder and bad attitude are comparable... Posting this makes me a hypocrite, but I feel like it needs to be said. yes because "And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him." is a really insightful comment that adds a lot to the thread. Actually, I would argue that it does. Maybe not in the sense that it "adds" to the thread, but it doesn't detract in the way that derailing the thread does. If nothing is said about the topic in the first place this useless discussion would have never began.
And If he didnt make the snide comment, nobody would have ever responded to bly. I can do this all day bud. You have no argument.
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On January 31 2013 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:21 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 31 2013 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i like how wingsofdeath's commentary makes it seem like he rarely makes mistake and it's other people's fault, and that he's always the mannered one. But really, he has the shitty ass standard solo queue it's me against the world, i'm the messiah you're all trash attitude And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. and the ray lewis is a murderer circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. wtf Dylan, that doesn't even make sense... I am making a comparison to the dismissive attitude of bad manners in esports to the dismissive attitude of crimes in professional sports, namely football, where they get off with great lenience or sometimes altogether. Just because he is a streamer does not put him above other people. if you are putting yourself out there in the public you are subject to criticism, especially truthful criticism. Cause posting it in this thread is really helpful in providing useful criticism and really helps promote discussion. Definitely doesn't derail the thread... Cause murder and bad attitude are comparable... Posting this makes me a hypocrite, but I feel like it needs to be said. yes because "And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him." is a really insightful comment that adds a lot to the thread.
onlywonderboy may have overstepped but like I said previous, he's only sharing in my (and the rest of staff's) sentiment on the issue. If I told bly to knock it off with the Wings hate, I don't think it would have been an issue.
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On January 31 2013 02:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 31 2013 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i like how wingsofdeath's commentary makes it seem like he rarely makes mistake and it's other people's fault, and that he's always the mannered one. But really, he has the shitty ass standard solo queue it's me against the world, i'm the messiah you're all trash attitude And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. and the ray lewis is a murderer circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. wtf Dylan, that doesn't even make sense... I am making a comparison to the dismissive attitude of bad manners in esports to the dismissive attitude of crimes in professional sports, namely football, where they get off with great lenience or sometimes altogether. Just because he is a streamer does not put him above other people. if you are putting yourself out there in the public you are subject to criticism, especially truthful criticism. Would have been a lot better if you just said that the first time instead of the tongue-in-cheek comment. I guess I didn't get the statement the first time around because I don't follow football as closely. That said, onlywonderboy's comment is shared by the staff. We understand that there's a lot of Wingsofdeathx hate on TL because of his personality on stream. There's very few people defending him on that issue. It's really gotten to a point where we have a general consensus on said player and there's no need to beat a dead horse. Shake led the anti-Wings charge (and pro-XJ9 for that matter) and it's already ingrained as a part of TL LoL GD already. Bringing it up anymore is just ad nauseam. I don't see where people are being dismissive on the issue.
I never touched the idea of saying bly is right in spamming, just that adding troll comments like that is completely useless. so obviously im going to mock it.
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On January 31 2013 02:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:27 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 31 2013 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i like how wingsofdeath's commentary makes it seem like he rarely makes mistake and it's other people's fault, and that he's always the mannered one. But really, he has the shitty ass standard solo queue it's me against the world, i'm the messiah you're all trash attitude And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. and the ray lewis is a murderer circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. wtf Dylan, that doesn't even make sense... I am making a comparison to the dismissive attitude of bad manners in esports to the dismissive attitude of crimes in professional sports, namely football, where they get off with great lenience or sometimes altogether. Just because he is a streamer does not put him above other people. if you are putting yourself out there in the public you are subject to criticism, especially truthful criticism. Would have been a lot better if you just said that the first time instead of the tongue-in-cheek comment. I guess I didn't get the statement the first time around because I don't follow football as closely. That said, onlywonderboy's comment is shared by the staff. We understand that there's a lot of Wingsofdeathx hate on TL because of his personality on stream. There's very few people defending him on that issue. It's really gotten to a point where we have a general consensus on said player and there's no need to beat a dead horse. Shake led the anti-Wings charge (and pro-XJ9 for that matter) and it's already ingrained as a part of TL LoL GD already. Bringing it up anymore is just ad nauseam. I don't see where people are being dismissive on the issue. I never touched the idea of saying bly is right in spamming, just that adding troll comments like that is completely useless. so obviously im going to mock it.
It wasn't a troll comment. Snide perhaps.
Let's just drop this now. ty
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On January 31 2013 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:28 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2013 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:21 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 31 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 31 2013 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i like how wingsofdeath's commentary makes it seem like he rarely makes mistake and it's other people's fault, and that he's always the mannered one. But really, he has the shitty ass standard solo queue it's me against the world, i'm the messiah you're all trash attitude And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. and the ray lewis is a murderer circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him. wtf Dylan, that doesn't even make sense... I am making a comparison to the dismissive attitude of bad manners in esports to the dismissive attitude of crimes in professional sports, namely football, where they get off with great lenience or sometimes altogether. Just because he is a streamer does not put him above other people. if you are putting yourself out there in the public you are subject to criticism, especially truthful criticism. Cause posting it in this thread is really helpful in providing useful criticism and really helps promote discussion. Definitely doesn't derail the thread... Cause murder and bad attitude are comparable... Posting this makes me a hypocrite, but I feel like it needs to be said. yes because "And the "WoD is a cocky douche" circlejerk continues. If you don't like him just don't watch him." is a really insightful comment that adds a lot to the thread. Actually, I would argue that it does. Maybe not in the sense that it "adds" to the thread, but it doesn't detract in the way that derailing the thread does. If nothing is said about the topic in the first place this useless discussion would have never began. And If he didnt make the snide comment, nobody would have ever responded to bly. I can do this all day bud. You have no argument.
I think you mistake my position, bly shouldn't have said anything in the first place -- problem solved!
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On January 31 2013 02:11 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i feel like it's important to make that post so people are not deceived. Not really. Keep your streamer hate to yourself. Makes you seem petty.
I see no reason why he should do that. It does make him sound petty but I think that's his choice to make? He's also right, Wings is one of the most cockiest and delusional streamers out there.
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I feel like today was a good day for me, I learned multiple things :
First off : When you play normals on your way to 30, even if you're comp is retarded, there's hope.
I had a game as TF mid with a Ziggs AD carry and an Olaf support, we won at 20
Another game with Vayne Jungle and Darius support and we won handily
Another game with me as nunu supporting Eve bot and a duo Shen darius top with Anivia mid, won
And finally a game with teemo support and malzahar malphite top, and we won again
In fact the only game is loss today is the one where we had picks "in the meta"
This leads us to our 2nd point : In low ELO and normal games, pick champs you're good at.
Don't be nice, game I lost I had to jungle when I clearly said " Anything but Jungle " in chat ( copy paste OP ), and the only role left was ... the jungle after everyone instalocks their thing
This point is valid up to a certain point tho, not to be taken as the one and only thing to do, bceause locking 3 AD carries never helped anyone.
And the last point is : If you're behing by only 10 to 15 kills, don't surrender.
If you have an AD carry, let him farm, be patient and anything can happen, I just had a match ( the one with the teemo support ) where we were 15 kills, 4-5 towers and 3 drakes behind ( 2 nashors also ) but everyone was pretty much farmed except the Ashe, and when Ashe got her 6 items after stalling for 25mns, we just had one teamfight going for us, with only me dying as katarina mid, and our team just took inhib and nexus in 60seconds, GG no re, ennemy vayne at 25-3, our ashe at 13/8.
Today was definitely a good day.
( And if people tell me " normals don't matter ", when it's the only thing you can play and HAVE to play because bots is boring, then it matters. °
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On January 31 2013 02:33 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i feel like it's important to make that post so people are not deceived. Not really. Keep your streamer hate to yourself. Makes you seem petty. I see no reason why he should do that. It does make him sound petty but I think that's his choice to make? He's also right, Wings is one of the most cockiest and delusional streamers out there.
For all the reasons mentioned above, it's beating a dead horse. As mod, I'm stepping in and making the call that bly's post at worst is going to generate another page of how bad Wings' attitude. At best, people argree and don't reply. But either way, there's zero constructive discussion generated. No one is ever going to defend Wings' solo q attitude. So why bring it up?
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On January 31 2013 02:38 GregMandel wrote:
This leads us to our 2nd point : In low ELO and normal games, pick champs you're good at.
Don't be nice, game I lost I had to jungle when I clearly said " Anything but Jungle " in chat ( copy paste OP ), and the only role left was ... the jungle after everyone instalocks their thing
This point is valid up to a certain point tho, not to be taken as the one and only thing to do, bceause locking 3 AD carries never helped anyone.
I don't think I'm much worse at my off champs than I am with my mains. For normals I just pick champs I haven't played in a long time or never played more than I pick my mains. For ranked you're going to want to learn to Jungle. I hate supporting and sometimes type "not support", but I still support when I have to and I feel I can play the role. If you don't learn all the roles you'll be losing critical strategic information about how the jungle really works and whether your jungler can or will gank for you, and also whether the enemy jungler can do the same.
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On January 31 2013 02:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:33 OutlaW- wrote:On January 31 2013 02:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 31 2013 02:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i feel like it's important to make that post so people are not deceived. Not really. Keep your streamer hate to yourself. Makes you seem petty. I see no reason why he should do that. It does make him sound petty but I think that's his choice to make? He's also right, Wings is one of the most cockiest and delusional streamers out there. For all the reasons mentioned above, it's beating a dead horse. As mod, I'm stepping in and making the call that bly's post at worst is going to generate another page of how bad Wings' attitude. At best, people argree and don't reply. But either way, there's zero constructive discussion generated. No one is ever going to defend Wings' solo q attitude. So why bring it up?
If you said nothing, I'm pretty sure there would have been much less responses. Your post alone has created, what, 10 new posts? If your intention was not to clutter the board, you shouldn't have said anything. People post unnecessary or obvious stuff (here and everywhere else) all the time. If nobody wants to respond, nobody will. If people want to respond, then who are you to take that away from them? Not to mention that you've pretty much done the original thing that you feared yourself - creating a pointless discussion about something that doesn't matter. I think it's odd not to let people talk about what they want to talk about, anyway, as long as it's GD League related, which this is.
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Anyone else watching shushei playing udyr mid? I never knew udyr could do so much damage. I would lol if that became somehow fotm. He is also a pretty good counter to pesky ap yi mid
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i genuinely was not aware that wotdx was not perceived positively. I feel like I'm being treated unfairly because I am not allowed to criticize anyone by the law of this forum. I did not say anything close to warning worthy.
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On January 31 2013 02:45 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:38 GregMandel wrote:
This leads us to our 2nd point : In low ELO and normal games, pick champs you're good at.
Don't be nice, game I lost I had to jungle when I clearly said " Anything but Jungle " in chat ( copy paste OP ), and the only role left was ... the jungle after everyone instalocks their thing
This point is valid up to a certain point tho, not to be taken as the one and only thing to do, bceause locking 3 AD carries never helped anyone.
I don't think I'm much worse at my off champs than I am with my mains. For normals I just pick champs I haven't played in a long time or never played more than I pick my mains. For ranked you're going to want to learn to Jungle. I hate supporting and sometimes type "not support", but I still support when I have to and I feel I can play the role. If you don't learn all the roles you'll be losing critical strategic information about how the jungle really works and whether your jungler can or will gank for you, and also whether the enemy jungler can do the same.
I learn the hard way, and it doesnt help when people are mad at you ( which I understand is legit ) but in the end, when i say anything but Jungle they should get the message that, well, I suck at jungling and I don't want to play it when it is possible for me not to
edit : to zulu, did you get a warning ? I don't think so.
starting a witch hunt, willingly or not, should be verbally reported, it's no big deal, you can say " i don't like him " but you can't say " guy's such a dick ", just like in real life, because it's just not polite and bad for veryone in the community
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On January 31 2013 02:26 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:02 Alaric wrote:Ouch. "standard" mallet/locket/wit's/tabi build on jungle Vi, still die amongst the firsts every teamfight. Reason? Well at first it was pen build Katarina so I ate true damage, and they loved to cc me so I couldn't just ult her or trigger my passive. Then it was Garen's ult. Tank MF ult + Kata combo + some Olaf axes? np. Then Garen appears and goes "HEY DUDE YOU'VE GOT LIKE 2K MISSING HP LEMME HELP" and big broad sword to my face. We had a raidboss Shen in the team who had a similar reaction at one point, and a warmogs rushing Taric who yelled in chat (in French) "wtf shit man 1113 damage Garen ult?!". I had forgotten that this sucker hurts so much, and that he ignores the "stack HP to survive the magical burst" so well.  1k+ ults hurt when you only have 3k HP. (In the end it didn't matter because an ult on me or Shen meant our carries had a field day. Garen's Q + Sona's ult make for a very frustrating teamfight though, you only get one second to press your buttons and do stuff before you die.  ) Why Wit's End? It has seemingly no synergy with Vi's kit. High AD ratios, armor shred and an attack speed steroid, what's the appeal to Wit's?
EVEN MORE AS
Or something like that. Having more AS allows to trigger W more easily the first time (kinda like Wit's works much better with Jax's passive than Rageblade, which just gives a steeper ramp-up time for the higher ceiling it grants), getting a stinger makes this clearly visible when jungling. It's also more MR than hexdrinker/MoM even after the nerf (wow that one was way harsher than I thought, I just looked it up).
I like to play Vi tanky and rely on repeated W procs for my damage, using that as an excuse to bulldozer through the enemy team with my ult and soak up damage. In that case I should probably have bought MoM though, just for the added EHP from the shield since apart from Garen's ult (and MF's, used to put me at execution-level health anyway) all other sources of damage were dps-oriented, and being able to mitigate it would have bought me several seconds (which in turn could have granted me another passive trigger maybe).
I still don't understand where her damage comes from when built AD, since whenever I watch Xj9 or somebody else do it it's something like R -> auto -> E to burst people down, so I don't know if they actually hurt so hard with E (I'd tend to doubt it when looking at the numbers) or if W's scaling compared to its base is so bonkers, as the 2 are applied at the same time and I just see half a health bar disappear.
W's AD scaling probably needs to be decreased though.
On January 31 2013 02:46 xarchaosx wrote:
Anyone else watching shushei playing udyr mid? I never knew udyr could do so much damage. I would lol if that became somehow fotm. He is also a pretty good counter to pesky ap yi mid
Hey dude, I do physical dps but even if you don't stick around I burst you down with AD scaling magical damage, how do you feel about itemisation? Also I don't take damage. Or I just heal it up.
Lane Udyr is still stronk as hell, it's just you have to abuse his midgame timing and it's hard with stuff like Gauntlet flying around and general mobility creep.
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HEART OF GOLD! 1 CRIT RUNE! PD HECARIM! NA LOL SCENE!
+ Show Spoiler +let's all <3 each other again TL plz
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On January 31 2013 02:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i genuinely was not aware that wotdx was not perceived positively. I feel like I'm being treated unfairly because I am not allowed to criticize anyone by the law of this forum. I did not say anything close to warning worthy.
When he first started to get big numbers a lot of people on these forums were praising him but then that started shifting quite negatively after awhile. Anyway I think he's still fine and he gets big views so good for him. Would never watch him instead of Voyboy obviously since Voy is a boss and seems super nice. In fact watching Voy now makes me even more angry about CLG stuff ;(
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On January 31 2013 02:54 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i genuinely was not aware that wotdx was not perceived positively. I feel like I'm being treated unfairly because I am not allowed to criticize anyone by the law of this forum. I did not say anything close to warning worthy. When he first started to get big numbers a lot of people on these forums were praising him but then that started shifting quite negatively after awhile. Anyway I think he's still fine and he gets big views so good for him. Would never watch him instead of Voyboy obviously since Voy is a boss and seems super nice. In fact watching Voy now makes me even more angry about CLG stuff ;(
Voyboy's bad performance in CLG was CLG's fault, certainly, but his play never matched up with the rest of them, so it wouldn't really have mattered either way. Voyboy was a top laner who would put attention on himself by making big plays so that the rest of his team could 4v3 their bottom lane or something, but Jiji could never pressure well and Hotshot's jungle was equally terrible. The result was Voy feeding for no reason because his team had absolutely enacted absolutely zero pressure and the one that he created didn't achieve anything. Not to mention that CLG always centered their play around protecting Double, which Voy's playstyle or champion pool didn't fit either. In time, he (17 at the time which is quite young) lost all confidence and started being nervous as fuck and stopped making any plays. People also saw his deaths as a clear mistake and thus they all unloaded their insecurities and diverted attention on him. CLG was (and still is) a very toxic team in terms of denial, delusions and the shifting of blame. I might be missing some stuff, but that seems to be the gist of it.
tl;dr poor voy
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ever since nationals and locodoco leaving clg i can't watch LoL streams anymore.
a lot of what you need to learn for getting better in solo queue is mostly experience, so i would rather play than watch... if i played solo queue.
and they hardly stream scrims so you can't learn how to get better in arranged 5s or at least see what to look for when you watch pro games.
wodx can complain all he wants about how a teammate should've done something but in a real game you should be able to just outright say it to your teammates on voice chat.
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On January 31 2013 03:00 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:54 Numy wrote:On January 31 2013 02:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i genuinely was not aware that wotdx was not perceived positively. I feel like I'm being treated unfairly because I am not allowed to criticize anyone by the law of this forum. I did not say anything close to warning worthy. When he first started to get big numbers a lot of people on these forums were praising him but then that started shifting quite negatively after awhile. Anyway I think he's still fine and he gets big views so good for him. Would never watch him instead of Voyboy obviously since Voy is a boss and seems super nice. In fact watching Voy now makes me even more angry about CLG stuff ;( Voyboy's bad performance in CLG was CLG's fault, certainly, but his play never matched up with the rest of them, so it wouldn't really have mattered either way. Voyboy was a top laner who would put attention on himself by making big plays so that the rest of his team could 4v3 their bottom lane or something, but Jiji could never pressure well and Hotshot's jungle was equally terrible. The result was Voy feeding for no reason because his team had absolutely enacted absolutely zero pressure and the one that he created didn't achieve anything. Not to mention that CLG always centered their play around protecting Double, which Voy's playstyle or champion pool didn't fit either. In time, he (17 at the time which is quite young) lost all confidence and started being nervous as fuck and stopped making any plays. People also saw his deaths as a clear mistake and thus they all unloaded their insecurities and diverted attention on him. CLG was (and still is) a very toxic team in terms of denial, delusions and the shifting of blame. I might be missing some stuff, but that seems to be the gist of it. tl;dr poor voy
And now he's doing well on Curse now so I can't complain. Agreed though, his play style just didn't fit on CLG, also Hotshot jungle era was a dark period.
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I guess I just wanted to make the bigger point that, there seems to be very few streamers who will rightly admit their wrongs. Most of the ones I see react selfishly to mistakes. This makes it so that, a large portion of their viewerbase will learn bad habits, such as adopting the me vs. 9 retards attitude. It also gives a lot of players the streamers play with an unfair rap. Getting blamed by your teammate in a solo queue game and getting blamed by your teammate in a solo queue game in front of 20k viewers is not the same thing. There's an etiquette here that most streamers don't realize.
Voyboy is one of very few streamers who I've seen admit mistakes in game AND on stream. When Scarra, his analysis rarely gets personal, which should be the professional standard. For example I've never seen Scarra say anything like omg this YI, losing us the game, or wow this jungler is throwing, etc. He also compliments people for good players, which other streamers rarely do. When you're putting on a show for an audience, people needs to realize it's not just solo queue anymore. I remember when I used to watch jiji's stream all day and the only conclusion I could make about high elo from his streams was that EVERYONE was bad and jiji was god.
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