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On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one?
It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers).
You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range.
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On January 26 2013 04:53 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one? It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers). You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range.
I suppose the 8% health shred also poses the problem for theory crafting since the health of the target matters.
I see it as Kog'Maw is the epitome of glass cannon AD whose only escape is a puny slow while Vayne at least gets a tumble so that's her trade off for not being quite as hyper carry as Kog. Some people say Tristana but she has less range than Kog with W and her only steroid is an AS steroid. Trist is just outshine in every possible way by the adcs that came after her, they need to fix her
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Kog doesn't have a 100% uptime on his W, and Tristana's steroid is the best AS steroid of the game with 90% boost. She also has her ult as self-peel, E as sustain-killer and jump is a very goot repositioning tool with 900 range and a reset clause.
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plus, trist is really awesome with thresh.
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How do you lane/trade against Kog? I need to become more familiar with all the match-ups in general but wondering if there are any tips? If you see him use his W wait for it to come off and go for it?
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On January 26 2013 05:07 Alaric wrote:
Kog doesn't have a 100% uptime on his W, and Tristana's steroid is the best AS steroid of the game with 90% boost. She also has her ult as self-peel, E as sustain-killer and jump is a very goot repositioning tool with 900 range and a reset clause.
I've heard people say Jayce has the best AS steroid since it maxes his AS although IMO that doesn't count. Elise also has 140% AS steroid but she's a melee AP so I would say Tristana's is the mot useful but Elise's is the best
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Ya I meant amongst usual AD carries.
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On January 26 2013 05:12 Eiii wrote:
plus, trist is really awesome with thresh.
Everyone is pretty awesome with Thresh.
If we don't see him as a common ban in a month or so it will only be due to low Elo players having no ability to land his hook or abuse his lantern.
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On January 26 2013 05:00 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 04:53 Seuss wrote:On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one? It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers). You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range. I suppose the 8% health shred also poses the problem for theory crafting since the health of the target matters. I see it as Kog'Maw is the epitome of glass cannon AD whose only escape is a puny slow while Vayne at least gets a tumble so that's her trade off for not being quite as hyper carry as Kog. Some people say Tristana but she has less range than Kog with W and her only steroid is an AS steroid. Trist is just outshine in every possible way by the adcs that came after her, they need to fix her
what? she has 700 range all the time, a gapcloser/disengage, healing debuff, attack speed steroid and a knockback to get bruisers off of you. In my personal opinion shes just as good as the other 2 hyper carries, if not better.
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Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.
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Vi, but that's cheating because she's probably needing nerfs.
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On January 26 2013 05:28 Nabes wrote:
what? she has 700 range all the time, a gapcloser/disengage, healing debuff, attack speed steroid and a knockback to get bruisers off of you. In my personal opinion shes just as good as the other 2 hyper carries, if not better.
Yes! and she is getting buffed in PBE right now. Tristana number one! Now where's that E toggle...
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Olaf, Naughtylus are my fav junglers at the moment, but I will most likely buy Xin soon, he seems too good in the jungle.
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On January 26 2013 02:51 spellsy wrote:yea the reason i ask is i was thinking about doing a "prezi" ( http://prezi.com/ ) that was like a quickguide for each support, with runes, skill order, playstyle, etc type stuff
This would be awesome spellsy. I really enjoyed your other guides and these should be no exception. As a relatively new support who wants to be more diversified in his draft options, a small guide for each support would be great! =)
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I think it would be pretty hard to argue that Tristana isn't the strongest 6-item carry. With the longest constant range, the best AS steroid, the longest range escape (which also resets on kill) and a self-peeling ultimate, she pretty much outclasses everyone with a full build. Range = Damage in teamfights.
Of course, she has a terrible midgame.
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in a vacuum, twitch is the strongest if the stars align. (literally)
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On January 26 2013 05:34 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.
I've been doing a loooot of Cho and he always feels pretty comfortable.
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On January 26 2013 05:34 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.
Many swear by Elise.
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fml I missed Voyboys akali top game, just picked her up and I've been wrecking faces so far but I woulda loved too see him play her Q_Q
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On January 26 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
in a vacuum, twitch is the strongest if the stars align. (literally)
In s2 if you had 6 tiamats (they stacked) before the twitch remake I think you could come close to two shotting a team. 1 shotting if there were also minions to hit as well.
I supposed AD fiddles could do this as well with a level 1 dark wind if all 5 enemies stacked on top of each other. Riot has said they fixed that bug twice though.
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