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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 19:53:56
January 25 2013 19:53 GMT
#2701
On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one?


It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers).

You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 25 2013 20:00 GMT
#2702
On January 26 2013 04:53 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one?


It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers).

You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range.

I suppose the 8% health shred also poses the problem for theory crafting since the health of the target matters.

I see it as Kog'Maw is the epitome of glass cannon AD whose only escape is a puny slow while Vayne at least gets a tumble so that's her trade off for not being quite as hyper carry as Kog. Some people say Tristana but she has less range than Kog with W and her only steroid is an AS steroid. Trist is just outshine in every possible way by the adcs that came after her, they need to fix her
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2013 20:07 GMT
#2703
Kog doesn't have a 100% uptime on his W, and Tristana's steroid is the best AS steroid of the game with 90% boost. She also has her ult as self-peel, E as sustain-killer and jump is a very goot repositioning tool with 900 range and a reset clause.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 25 2013 20:12 GMT
#2704
plus, trist is really awesome with thresh.
:3
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 25 2013 20:15 GMT
#2705
How do you lane/trade against Kog? I need to become more familiar with all the match-ups in general but wondering if there are any tips? If you see him use his W wait for it to come off and go for it?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 25 2013 20:17 GMT
#2706
On January 26 2013 05:07 Alaric wrote:
Kog doesn't have a 100% uptime on his W, and Tristana's steroid is the best AS steroid of the game with 90% boost. She also has her ult as self-peel, E as sustain-killer and jump is a very goot repositioning tool with 900 range and a reset clause.

I've heard people say Jayce has the best AS steroid since it maxes his AS although IMO that doesn't count. Elise also has 140% AS steroid but she's a melee AP so I would say Tristana's is the mot useful but Elise's is the best
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2013 20:22 GMT
#2707
Ya I meant amongst usual AD carries.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 25 2013 20:26 GMT
#2708
On January 26 2013 05:12 Eiii wrote:
plus, trist is really awesome with thresh.


Everyone is pretty awesome with Thresh.

If we don't see him as a common ban in a month or so it will only be due to low Elo players having no ability to land his hook or abuse his lantern.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
January 25 2013 20:28 GMT
#2709
On January 26 2013 05:00 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 04:53 Seuss wrote:
On January 26 2013 04:42 MattBarry wrote:
Has anyone done the math for which ADC does the most damage at 6 items? I assume it's either Koggles or Vayne. But which one?


It's been a while since I ran the math, but I believe Draven does the most damage, if you assume ideal conditions where he's free to juggle axes (you can actually have 2 axes + 1 in the air in the absolute best conditions). However, he might actually do less damage than AD Malzahar with three voidlings out (as I said before, it's been a while since I ran the numbers).

You should immediately think, "That's bogus." because it is. You're never going to have those sorts of ideal situations, which makes comparing 6 item AD carries difficult. There are games where Ashe, who has no meaningful steroid, will out-damage Vayne simply because of range.

I suppose the 8% health shred also poses the problem for theory crafting since the health of the target matters.

I see it as Kog'Maw is the epitome of glass cannon AD whose only escape is a puny slow while Vayne at least gets a tumble so that's her trade off for not being quite as hyper carry as Kog. Some people say Tristana but she has less range than Kog with W and her only steroid is an AS steroid. Trist is just outshine in every possible way by the adcs that came after her, they need to fix her


what? she has 700 range all the time, a gapcloser/disengage, healing debuff, attack speed steroid and a knockback to get bruisers off of you. In my personal opinion shes just as good as the other 2 hyper carries, if not better.
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
January 25 2013 20:34 GMT
#2710
Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2013 20:38 GMT
#2711
Vi, but that's cheating because she's probably needing nerfs.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
January 25 2013 20:41 GMT
#2712
On January 26 2013 05:28 Nabes wrote:
what? she has 700 range all the time, a gapcloser/disengage, healing debuff, attack speed steroid and a knockback to get bruisers off of you. In my personal opinion shes just as good as the other 2 hyper carries, if not better.


Yes! and she is getting buffed in PBE right now. Tristana number one! Now where's that E toggle...
I got nothin'...
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 20:41:54
January 25 2013 20:41 GMT
#2713
Olaf, Naughtylus are my fav junglers at the moment, but I will most likely buy Xin soon, he seems too good in the jungle.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
DoctorM
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States36 Posts
January 25 2013 20:52 GMT
#2714
On January 26 2013 02:51 spellsy wrote:
yea the reason i ask is i was thinking about doing a "prezi" ( http://prezi.com/ ) that was like a quickguide for each support, with runes, skill order, playstyle, etc type stuff

This would be awesome spellsy. I really enjoyed your other guides and these should be no exception. As a relatively new support who wants to be more diversified in his draft options, a small guide for each support would be great! =)
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
January 25 2013 20:59 GMT
#2715
I think it would be pretty hard to argue that Tristana isn't the strongest 6-item carry. With the longest constant range, the best AS steroid, the longest range escape (which also resets on kill) and a self-peeling ultimate, she pretty much outclasses everyone with a full build. Range = Damage in teamfights.

Of course, she has a terrible midgame.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2013 21:06 GMT
#2716
in a vacuum, twitch is the strongest if the stars align. (literally)
I come in for the scraps
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 25 2013 21:11 GMT
#2717
On January 26 2013 05:34 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.


I've been doing a loooot of Cho and he always feels pretty comfortable.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 25 2013 21:13 GMT
#2718
On January 26 2013 05:34 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Who have you guys been having the most success with this season in the jungle?? It feels so hard now, I am noob though.


Many swear by Elise.
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discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
January 25 2013 21:13 GMT
#2719
fml I missed Voyboys akali top game, just picked her up and I've been wrecking faces so far but I woulda loved too see him play her Q_Q
;;
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 21:14:40
January 25 2013 21:13 GMT
#2720
On January 26 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
in a vacuum, twitch is the strongest if the stars align. (literally)

In s2 if you had 6 tiamats (they stacked) before the twitch remake I think you could come close to two shotting a team. 1 shotting if there were also minions to hit as well.

I supposed AD fiddles could do this as well with a level 1 dark wind if all 5 enemies stacked on top of each other. Riot has said they fixed that bug twice though.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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