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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
January 25 2013 08:20 GMT
#2601
u compared his elo to other 1.8k plus players but all there games have been at 1.8k or higher destiny was 1.4k most season so his k/d should be way better
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 25 2013 09:00 GMT
#2602
On January 25 2013 16:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 13:22 randomKo_Orean wrote:
On January 25 2013 09:58 MoonBear wrote:
Heartbeattt running 1 Crit Red on his AD Rune page lol

Is he famous or something...?

Lots of pro players have been running 1 red and 1 blue critchance runes in Korea, I've been listening to them while they go over runepages while they wait on the game starts and it's pretty common on adcs that run 21/9/0.

Put a crit rune in your ADC rune page T_D says. Its really smart T_D says. And your an idiot the rest of TL says.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 25 2013 09:09 GMT
#2603
I love 1 crit red, easy way to win lane and make opponent rage
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
January 25 2013 09:22 GMT
#2604
Just an observation, but according to this forum, there are maybe a dozen people in the entire world which are good at this game. So calling someone bad, doesn't actually mean that much. The expectations here are extremely high. Nothing wrong with this, but sometimes people seem to miss a bit of perspective. Above 1900 elo for example is less than 1% of the player base.
There is this funny thing in online games, that people go for the extremes. The average becomes terrible and only the truly exemplary are considered good. Everything in between is considered decent on a good day, but most of the time it is also terrible. I wonder if anybody actually ever looked at that from a psychological point. It's a really weird mix of masochism (we are all bad) and hero worship (only he is the one, that truly understands the game).
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 25 2013 09:30 GMT
#2605
On January 25 2013 16:55 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 16:50 Irave wrote:
On January 25 2013 16:19 red_ wrote:
On January 25 2013 16:14 Irave wrote:
On January 25 2013 16:12 red_ wrote:
On January 25 2013 14:25 OutlaW- wrote:
On January 25 2013 14:23 Kouda wrote:
I think Destiny is a case of where if you spam enough games, you eventually get mildly decent l0l

He's probably played less than you, though. He does have a lot of work towards him, but I don't understand the need to constantly belittle him and deny him his achievements.


What achievements? He's gotten to 1900(and apparently that involved some pretty serious 'aid,' I wouldn't know). The few times I've gone to watch him the one thing that sticks out to me is how much he dies; it makes him look decidedly mediocre, especially since he plays ADC so much. Not dying is pretty much the first thing anyone in this game is taught/is arguably the most important part of the game(right up there with last hitting and being in xp range, both of which are directly related to being alive), his non-ability to stay alive is really comparable to far worse players than what you think of when you think 'moderately high->high elo player.'

I am constantly surprised at how he is considered a player of note in any way shape or form(and realize there is some irony in me discussing him at any length, or ever watching his stream for any period of time).

Your basing it on the few times you've watched him. The dude almost streams 24/7. But really its just that the Destiny hate has come and gone and is just old now.


His Lolking profile confirms that he dies a lot, I decided to look it up before making my conclusion on watching him a few times.

That doesn't change the fact that the Destiny circlejerk is old.

Lets play high elo adc average deaths in soloQ.

Destiny 5.9
Imaqtpie 5.2
Doublelift 4.8
Yellowpete 4.8
brunch Ü 4.7

These were quite easy to find. I would be more curious of a list on adc mains hovering around his elo. These players also die a lot too correct? Considering these players are leaps and bounds ahead of him, it shouldn't be that close right. Oh wait its solo q.
On January 25 2013 16:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Destiny=neograkis

and if you kiddies out there dont know who grackis is, ask your grandparents to tell you.

I still laugh a little bit how he was one game away from going to the offline part of LCS. While most struggle to find a team.


I'd look more at KDA, on basically every champ he has sub 3.0 kda. Even when I compare it to people on my friends list(majority are gold-plat) they tend to at least have a couple champs where they do better than average, with 3.5-4.0 over 20+ games.

how does kda matter in a game like LoL ? Remember that when you're high elo, youll play against other high elo person, so your kda wont be higher. Unless you make a smurf and crush low elo.
But from the few times i watched his stream, hes pretty bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
January 25 2013 09:43 GMT
#2606
Is it possible to run AD Master Yi top with some AP runes?

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Yi

Looking at this that W heals 165 health with a full channel and with just 15 AP that increases to 235. Sure it has 35 second CD but damn that is worth 1 and half HP pots. Yi doesnt really need extra AD or Ar pen from runes for last hitting because he gets free AD anyway. So it should be possible for Yi to max E and farm while sustaining through W.

So I am thinking some sort of AD bruiser build, something like Ghost blade or BoTK and Scimitar with some defensive items could work on him. He gets massive AD AS and MS steroids and with some tenacity and QSS it wouldnt be too hard to stick to the carries later on.

Not ideal but I guess it could work.......




Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2013 09:57 GMT
#2607
On January 25 2013 16:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Destiny=neograkis

and if you kiddies out there dont know who grackis is, ask your grandparents to tell you.

Is that a Craton/Roffles summoning?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:21:23
January 25 2013 10:06 GMT
#2608
I've actually run into someone doing AD Yi top who went Warmogs/BotK. I crushed him in lane as Olaf, but BotK made it impossible for me to beat him in a 1v1. He started split pushing all day, and no one could kill him 1v1 despite the fact he was like 2/6/2, which created so much pressure that his team won pretty easily. I don't remember if he got any AP.

That being said- I don't think it will work for much longer. A large part of why he succeeded is because meditate is extremely broken (and is likely to get hit by the nerf bat soon) and I expected him to go mid, not top. My team didn't really react to it that well either, which isn't surprising given that I'm at a fairly low elo.

I would say just try it and see how it works for you. Before he gets nerfed. :D

Edit: BotK does physical damage now? O_o Now I'm really confused why he beat me, because I had like 150 armor. That attack speed. xD
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#2609
Wait, there are new patchnotes with master Yi nerfs? I don't see them anywhere in the supposed PBE patchnotes, is it from a red post somewhere? It just sounds awfully strange
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:11:30
January 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#2610
BotRK passive does physical damage, not magical, so not building MR didn't change anything.

^ currently PBE says increased base heal on meditate, huge ratio drop (from 4 to 2 or 1.2), and channeling for 3s instead of 5s.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#2611
BotRK deals physical damage, not magical damage.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:20:24
January 25 2013 10:14 GMT
#2612
^In regards to the yi nerf, They're reducing the ap ratio on meditate by half, but increasing the base heal by 60(+10per rank). and decreasing the mana cost at lower levels. I guess it won't be as broken lategame.

Edit

possible upcoming patch notes here
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/01/124-pbe-update-2.html#more
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
January 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#2613
On January 25 2013 19:14 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
^In regards to the yi nerf, They're reducing the ap ratio on meditate by half, but increasing the base heal by 60(+10per rank). and decreasing the mana cost at lower levels. I guess it won't be as broken lategame.

Edit

possible upcoming patch notes here
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/01/124-pbe-update-2.html#more

holy hell they destroyed blood boil
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 25 2013 10:25 GMT
#2614
It's riot. They will nerf everything good.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:32:20
January 25 2013 10:31 GMT
#2615
If that Triforce buff stays, that will be the most ridiculously cost-effective recipe ever, rofl.

Locket got a minor nerf, Sunfire and Warmogs got gutted.

League of Warmogs -> League of Locket
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Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
January 25 2013 10:35 GMT
#2616
yap,time for the return of udyr n.123739
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:41:16
January 25 2013 10:38 GMT
#2617
Sometimes I feel Riot is too nerf happy, rather than trying to buff other items to give it more of an edge, they just tend to over do the nerfs.

Warmogs nerf was way overdone. I think they should have taken the other approach, trying to buff early resistances, as a viable alternative vs warmog rush.

EDIT: I wonder if they thought Warmogs nerf was out of the popularity of the item? or they actually think it was op'd, in how it played out in games? Personally, I think there's always going to be a "most cost efficient/slot efficient" item, and sometimes there's just going to be a key item, like Bloodthirster is always going to be core on ADC. That doesn't mean you should just nerf it to the ground.


Also, I don't get this whole "nerf tank kat". It's strong, but it hasn't even been played out enough.

DC needs a buff soon, all these new high AP items, along with the fairly new AP champs with ridic base damage, and mediocre AP ratios, is phasing out DC almost entirely now.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 10:59:31
January 25 2013 10:49 GMT
#2618
Xypherous on health over resistances:
I'm actually a fan of health being the primary defensive stat - mostly because health has severely intrinsic features that resistances don't, that lets it be more easily controlled.

For example:

1. Health doesn't reduce the effectiveness of lifesteal type effects - or the secondary effects of an opponent's abilities.

2. Raw health isn't multiplicative with other healing or regeneration effects - allowing it to be effective without drastically multiplying in value with other effects (self heals, shields and the like.)

3. Health is a more obvious indicator of high durability than resistances - just due to how basic UIs work.

4. Because of high health per level gains, the relative effectiveness of health is far more temporary than resistances - This is just a natural fallout of our stat per level gains, not an intrinsic advantage of health.

The hell? How is 2. a bad thing? It allows champs to favor one kind of itemization over the other and gives more diversity to builds and stuff if anything.

3. I can get from a user standpoint, but as a designer you shouldn't quote that as a major reason for how you wish to balance the game. Or, you know, you should remove stuff like Poppy because attacks deal less damage to her as she loses health so the UI is deceptive regarding her.


Also yeah, why not try to "Nunu gets full buff, ally gets a % of it"?
And what does Riot try to achieve, gutting regenerations across the board? The destroyed health regen (mainly by removing it from most items it appeared on) going into s3, are they trying to do the same to mp5 now?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 25 2013 10:56 GMT
#2619
Those nunu nerfs might push nunu out as my go to jungle champion. With the huge hp increases on the jungle camps he is highly auto-attack heavy because of how much mana his e costs and q starts off only doing half their hp, and you never level it until lvl 14. Either that or I start making a madreds.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 25 2013 11:01 GMT
#2620
2 means you can't give champions strong heals. have to give them mediocre ones with the assumption they'll combo it with resists. we saw that about a million times in s2
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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