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On January 25 2013 12:45 Roffles wrote:
NA teams just need to suck it up. Shit might be tough, life might be hard, but nothing in easy is handed to you on a silver platter. Take for example Olympic athletes. Those athletes in the not so popular sports work their ass off just to accomplish one goal, sometimes near poverty level conditions. Shit's rough, and its tough, but that's not an excuse for not trying. If you wanna be good, you gotta be willing to put in the effort to be good. I don't see that from many NA teams/players. I know that I'm not as informed as you might be, but from what you say, these types of excuses are just meh. As Yango pointed out earlier, Brood War went through the same phase, and it's helped propel eSports in Korea to what it is today.
Why can't we do something like that in America? Clearly what we're doing now is not working. Why not try something different? I can understand if the intention is to just made do off streaming and stuff that's fine, but the reality is that many of these people want to be good as well, and that as people have said before is pretty delusional.
Except it is working, that's why they aren't changing. They make extremely solid livings, get to fuck around, win games in soloque, and have hordes of adoring fans. Yeah, they lose to asians, but the rest of it is working out pretty solid, which can be pretty damn distracting the other 99% of the time.
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At the end of the day, talking about it will solve nothing. Either become a player and set the perfect example or start coaching a team. If you gain their trust and make them do as you please, you could very well create a good team
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On January 25 2013 12:45 Roffles wrote:
NA teams just need to suck it up. Shit might be tough, life might be hard, but nothing in easy is handed to you on a silver platter. Take for example Olympic athletes. Those athletes in the not so popular sports work their ass off just to accomplish one goal, sometimes near poverty level conditions. Shit's rough, and its tough, but that's not an excuse for not trying. If you wanna be good, you gotta be willing to put in the effort to be good. I don't see that from many NA teams/players. I know that I'm not as informed as you might be, but from what you say, these types of excuses are just meh. As Yango pointed out earlier, Brood War went through the same phase, and it's helped propel eSports in Korea to what it is today.
Why can't we do something like that in America? Clearly what we're doing now is not working. Why not try something different? I can understand if the intention is to just made do off streaming and stuff that's fine, but the reality is that many of these people want to be good as well, and that as people have said before is pretty delusional.
I'll bite once more, ignoring the whole Olympic thing.
The fighting game community was incredibly small in the US. However their pros were incredibly dedicated. Knowing if they wanted to be pro they were forced to move to Southern California or New York. Since lag was always an issue playing online. Riot is currently establishing that obviously getting the top 8 teams to move to LA. The steps are being taken to potentially increase the skillcap in NA.
Though no videogame in the US will ever be able to emulate what Korea has now, or what they did to get there.
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riot's not forcing teams to move to LA btw
they're just giving a housing/travel subsidy
it makes SENSE to move to LA but i know at least 1 team isn't, they're going to use their subsidy to travel from their homes to LA weekly
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On January 25 2013 12:41 nosliw wrote:
Can kayle deal with cho mid? It seems like if I go Q -> E auto, he hits with Q + W + auto and sustains back faster
No. It's a horribly tough lane cuz I can't dodge ruptures for my life D:
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I swear to God, while it's really not good if you want to win, having no idea what the new champ does is hilarious, whether he's on your team or not. Playing against Thresh and seeing him toss stuff around and hook(?) people and doing all kinds of shit is just hilarious to watch. It was the same with Zed, when I just saw him jumping around everywhere doing crazy stuff.
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spellsy I love reading your posts but dear god are they a challenge to read by itself. =)
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On January 25 2013 13:22 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:58 MoonBear wrote:
Heartbeattt running 1 Crit Red on his AD Rune page lol Is he famous or something...?
He is the ADC of MRN who qualified for the LCS recently.
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On January 25 2013 13:22 Dark_Chill wrote:
I swear to God, while it's really not good if you want to win, having no idea what the new champ does is hilarious, whether he's on your team or not. Playing against Thresh and seeing him toss stuff around and hook(?) people and doing all kinds of shit is just hilarious to watch. It was the same with Zed, when I just saw him jumping around everywhere doing crazy stuff.
Last game on Monte's stream his duo Miscue just hooked the enemy Ezreal into Monte's Galio ult. You had everybody moving and hitting, and a still Ezreal sliding on the ground into the ult's AoE.
That was both visually weird and such a thing of beauty.
And this one they had Thresh throw down his ult in combo with Fiddle's. Which had me thinking about combos like Morgana (or even better, Karthus) with Thresh throwing the lantern at them, diving the enemy team and ulting right as the AoE of doom reaches them.
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im obsing. im pretty busy for a while so am thinking of the possibility of a replacement at least temporarily depending on how my personal commitments go this next week.
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About all this talk of Asian teams, I remember watching my favorite BW pros play in FPVODs and every time I'd get amazed at how they never scrolled the screen... EVER. Most of the time they used their F1-F4 keys to get to production facilities and used their arrow keys to move around. That kind of mechanical control may not be absolutely necessary to win games but it shows that the Asian teams practice harder. I can't say they practice more. But they definitely practice harder.
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United States15977 Posts
On January 25 2013 13:33 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 13:22 Dark_Chill wrote:
I swear to God, while it's really not good if you want to win, having no idea what the new champ does is hilarious, whether he's on your team or not. Playing against Thresh and seeing him toss stuff around and hook(?) people and doing all kinds of shit is just hilarious to watch. It was the same with Zed, when I just saw him jumping around everywhere doing crazy stuff. Last game on Monte's stream his duo Miscue just hooked the enemy Ezreal into Monte's Galio ult. You had everybody moving and hitting, and a still Ezreal sliding on the ground into the ult's AoE. That was both visually weird and such a thing of beauty. And this one they had Thresh throw down his ult in combo with Fiddle's. Which had me thinking about combos like Morgana (or even better, Karthus) with Thresh throwing the lantern at them, diving the enemy team and ulting right as the AoE of doom reaches them.
I just said that^^
IThresh makes wards completely useless- jungler waits in the jungle, Thresh tosses lantern backwards he grabs it and SURPRISE BITCH THE JUNGLER IS HERE. I think out of the 5 or 6 times I did that bot lane only once didn't get a double kill (and I'm a pretty bad jungler).
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I tuned in Destiny for a bit... and he died in lane apparently because he tried to right-click on an enemy Nunu but moved to him instead due to a misclick... hmmmmm...........
I thought people would know to use shift-click by now.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
what does shift click? :>
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On January 25 2013 14:11 Sufficiency wrote:
I tuned in Destiny for a bit... and he died in lane apparently because he tried to right-click on an enemy Nunu but moved to him instead due to a misclick... hmmmmm...........
I thought people would know to use shift-click by now.
I amove or right click depending on the situation. Definitely attackmove though in most scenarios(using a stealth character slightly different due to amove mechanic).
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I think Destiny is a case of where if you spam enough games, you eventually get mildly decent l0l
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On January 25 2013 14:23 Kouda wrote:
I think Destiny is a case of where if you spam enough games, you eventually get mildly decent l0l
He's probably played less than you, though. He does have a lot of work towards him, but I don't understand the need to constantly belittle him and deny him his achievements.
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On January 25 2013 14:23 Kouda wrote:
I think Destiny is a case of where if you spam enough games, you eventually get mildly decent l0l
Destiny is a prime example how you can get really really good (at one champion) and gain elo just by massing games on one champion.
Hes still pretty screwed when people ban trist/draven/lulu though.
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