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On January 25 2013 11:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:35 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2013 10:46 OutlaW- wrote:On January 25 2013 10:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
and i think riot has helped the NA scene far more than any other regions. Well, yes. But we have become somewhat dependant on Riot and thus haven't really done much ourselves. Korea grew by itself. Korea didn't just grow by itself. They already had the culture and the faith of sponsors to invest in them from BW. And riot hired Nada to appear in its launch ads. Thats like Getting john madden to come out in a launch campaign for football based video games. Its gona make a huge difference. And where did BW culture come from? You gotta start somewhere. And korea went and started - they done with that already. Same with china.
Yeah but the lol culture in korea grew out of completely emulating what worked for bw. It didn't just "grow" by itself it just appeared like what happened with sc2 in NA and EU after it launched. The players were still there from WC3 and foreigner bw and likewise the teams that signed them were there from the rest of the "esports" that had been pissing around for a decade like in korea. Lol in NA and EU quite literaly grew into its own self for a year and a half or so and then big money teams started stepping in when it started attracting more then what the other titles did.
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Baa?21246 Posts
On January 25 2013 11:41 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 25 2013 11:35 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2013 10:46 OutlaW- wrote:On January 25 2013 10:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
and i think riot has helped the NA scene far more than any other regions. Well, yes. But we have become somewhat dependant on Riot and thus haven't really done much ourselves. Korea grew by itself. Korea didn't just grow by itself. They already had the culture and the faith of sponsors to invest in them from BW. And riot hired Nada to appear in its launch ads. Thats like Getting john madden to come out in a launch campaign for football based video games. Its gona make a huge difference. And where did BW culture come from? You gotta start somewhere. And korea went and started - they done with that already. Same with china. Yeah but the lol culture grew out of completely emulating what worked for bw. It didn't just "grow" by itself it just appeared like what happened with sc2 in NA and EU after it launched. The players were still there from WC3 and foreigner bw and likewise the teams that signed them were there from the rest of the "esports" that had been pissing around for a decade like in korea.
I mean, whats your point? Saying the LoL culture didn't grow from anything in Korea, therefore the NA scene should just throw its arms up and give up is ridiculous because the NA scene can just go further back and study DotA in China or BW in Korea.
In fact, I'm sure the NA scene already did that, it just didn't like what it learned so it now deliberately ignores it~ Living off one package of ramen a day? fk that
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On January 25 2013 11:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:41 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 25 2013 11:35 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2013 10:46 OutlaW- wrote:On January 25 2013 10:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
and i think riot has helped the NA scene far more than any other regions. Well, yes. But we have become somewhat dependant on Riot and thus haven't really done much ourselves. Korea grew by itself. Korea didn't just grow by itself. They already had the culture and the faith of sponsors to invest in them from BW. And riot hired Nada to appear in its launch ads. Thats like Getting john madden to come out in a launch campaign for football based video games. Its gona make a huge difference. And where did BW culture come from? You gotta start somewhere. And korea went and started - they done with that already. Same with china. Yeah but the lol culture grew out of completely emulating what worked for bw. It didn't just "grow" by itself it just appeared like what happened with sc2 in NA and EU after it launched. The players were still there from WC3 and foreigner bw and likewise the teams that signed them were there from the rest of the "esports" that had been pissing around for a decade like in korea. I mean, whats your point? Saying the LoL culture didn't grow from anything in Korea, therefore the NA scene should just throw its arms up and give up is ridiculous because the NA scene can just go further back and study DotA in China or BW in Korea. In fact, I'm sure the NA scene already did that, it just didn't like what it learned so it now deliberately ignores it~ Living off one package of ramen a day? fk that
Its not just the players fault of why the US won't be as structured as Korea. You can't fault players for treating this like a job, which it is. Seeking the most profit they can acquire while playing. This Riot initiative is as good as it will get.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
I think what Spellsy meant was that all the discussing about what they/we can do is useless if nobody does it in the end.
Which is true. Somewhere somebody should put this words to actions but as Irave said you cant blame them if they choose streaming yoloQ because it earns more money. Players who stream cant complain that they do not have the infrastructure.
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Well, for all its worth, CLG is looking really strong right now.
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On January 25 2013 11:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, for all its worth, CLG is looking really strong right now.
they beat the teamfight comp in teamfights!!!!! pretty sick stuff
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Baa?21246 Posts
I have absolutely no qualms about NA players doing what they're doing right now, since, as you said, it is profitable.
What I do take issue with is that while doing nothing to improve themselves professionally in terms of competitiveness, they also harbor delusions of competing on the world stage and lamenting the supposed lack of opportunities for the NA scene compared to the rest of the world, and attributing their failures to that instead of their own...lack of motivation, however understandable it might be.
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On January 25 2013 12:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I have absolutely no qualms about NA players doing what they're doing right now, since, as you said, it is profitable.
What I do take issue with is that while doing nothing to improve themselves professionally in terms of competitiveness, they also harbor delusions of competing on the world stage and lamenting the supposed lack of opportunities for the NA scene compared to the rest of the world, and attributing their failures to that instead of their own...lack of motivation, however understandable it might be.
Yea its looked noticeably worse lately because of the down time, pre season. Now though with the start around the corner, there isn't a single competitive player on a top NA team streaming. Its been like that all day, you can tune into Dan's stream and see TSM scrimming in the back. Tryhard pants have been placed back on.
Having 8 teams living in the same area, no time zone issues. Frequent live matches streamed, much on the line play should progress. Before it was, ok tournament once a month. First place could net us each $500. That's not very motivating.
There isn't big named sponsors that expect results. There isn't a huge list of players NA side that would be capable of replacing any of them. So job security isn't an issue. So there are a few disadvantages of playing on NA. Just now the motivation of the $$ should increase effort by all.
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United States23745 Posts
On January 25 2013 11:39 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:25 onlywonderboy wrote:I know a lot of people worry that the LCS is going to stagnate the NA scene but I really hope the opposite is true. Before the LCS when there were sporadic tournaments teams would have downtime after one event and ramp up their practice closer to the next event. My hope is that with weekly matches teams will stick to a regular practice schedule and not take as many breaks. I don't even need all of the NA scene to be on the level of KR, two would make me happy, but hell I'd take one. Edit: Curse has put together an amateur team. Pretty solid line-up actually, xPobelter, IWDominate, AItec, YoDaTV, and Crs Rhux. Pobelter back on Curse, technically lol. I have followed a few game scenes here and there and I have noticed it's not so much having more tournaments that makes the level of a scene grow. I usually see a general growth when the practice/in between tournaments actions become more available and focused.
That's what I kind of meant, that they developed bad practice habits, and I'm hoping the weekly matches will help alleviate this.
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United States37500 Posts
CLG so gud at TP comps. Too bad no one else on NA tries.
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Fiddle Thresh is fucking disgusting.
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United States23745 Posts
On January 25 2013 12:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
CLG so gud at TP comps. Too bad no one else on NA tries.
I feel like I don't really see them anywhere regularly.
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On January 25 2013 12:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
CLG so gud at TP comps. Too bad no one else on NA tries.
That Kat TP just reminded me why I'm always sad when I run TP: Never any good wards.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
does teleport tresh work with the lantern?
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Can kayle deal with cho mid? It seems like if I go Q -> E auto, he hits with Q + W + auto and sustains back faster
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
NA teams just need to suck it up. Shit might be tough, life might be hard, but nothing in easy is handed to you on a silver platter. Take for example Olympic athletes. Those athletes in the not so popular sports work their ass off just to accomplish one goal, sometimes near poverty level conditions. Shit's rough, and its tough, but that's not an excuse for not trying. If you wanna be good, you gotta be willing to put in the effort to be good. I don't see that from many NA teams/players. I know that I'm not as informed as you might be, but from what you say, these types of excuses are just meh. As Yango pointed out earlier, Brood War went through the same phase, and it's helped propel eSports in Korea to what it is today.
Why can't we do something like that in America? Clearly what we're doing now is not working. Why not try something different? I can understand if the intention is to just made do off streaming and stuff that's fine, but the reality is that many of these people want to be good as well, and that as people have said before is pretty delusional.
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stream??? want to watch XD
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Scumbag Clakey, advertising scrim vs Dig in 15 minutes. But unable to stream it. 
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United States37500 Posts
On January 25 2013 12:45 Roffles wrote:
NA teams just need to suck it up. Shit might be tough, life might be hard, but nothing in easy is handed to you on a silver platter. Take for example Olympic athletes. Those athletes in the not so popular sports work their ass off just to accomplish one goal, sometimes near poverty level conditions. Shit's rough, and its tough, but that's not an excuse for not trying. If you wanna be good, you gotta be willing to put in the effort to be good. I don't see that from many NA teams/players. I know that I'm not as informed as you might be, but from what you say, these types of excuses are just meh. As Yango pointed out earlier, Brood War went through the same phase, and it's helped propel eSports in Korea to what it is today.
Why can't we do something like that in America? Clearly what we're doing now is not working. Why not try something different? I can understand if the intention is to just made do off streaming and stuff that's fine, but the reality is that many of these people want to be good as well, and that as people have said before is pretty delusional.
Practice? We're talking about practice?
@Irave, trololol
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clg is benefitting so much from a mid player that can win his lane.
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