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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:04 OutlaW- wrote: I think Vi is the best and most viable carry jungler right now. Watching xj9 enlightened me. I cannot agree more. Watched him play. Bought Vi and started jungling on her. Every single game I do good regardless of my team and if I get fed from ganks I can nuke peope so fast. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:10 OutlaW- wrote: You're only partially right. With the way Dota was designed, there are many abilities that are ''broken''. These include AM's 40% magic resistance and 5 second blink CD, Void's 35% chance to negate ANY source of damage, 35% bash chance and a huge AoE 5 second time-stop that lets only Void move. Yi's Q, W and E are nothing in comparison. Yi's kit simply isn't made to be an AD carry, it's just a bad kit. Tryndamere's kit is much more fluidly designed but even he has nothing on Dota carries. Another big reason is the existence of Manta style, Vanguard and most importantly BKB. This is definitely a factor, but personally I tend to believe that the farm advantage is the #1 aspect, and items/abilities fall around that as a secondary issue. It isnt just melee characters that have "broken" abilities in Dota, pretty much every ability in Dota, if carried over, would be broken in LoL. Same goes with items. So I tend to view item/ability factors as equalizing more than anything else. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2013 13:58 cLutZ wrote: Carry jungle is not viable, because the jungle farm isn't yet equal to, or greater than solo lane farm. Literally, only after that would a true "carry" jungle be viable. That is just how this game works. No, thats not really the issue. The amount of gold in the jungle is such that it should be more than lane if you clear it well and take a small amount your lanes (seuss has blogged on it 1 2). If the jungle had equal or greater farm than lane then junglers would have access to far more farm than a laner because they can move around and be allocated farm from lanes. The issues are the the obvious complete lack of lane support, running smite on a carry, machete being wasted cost, and the fact that all the decently fast junglers are melee and all the problems that come with melee carrying. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:14 Two_DoWn wrote: This is definitely a factor, but personally I tend to believe that the farm advantage is the #1 aspect, and items/abilities fall around that as a secondary issue. It isnt just melee characters that have "broken" abilities in Dota, pretty much every ability in Dota, if carried over, would be broken in LoL. Same goes with items. So I tend to view item/ability factors as equalizing more than anything else. I think even if you put Void + Janna against a Sona vs MF lane, Void would still get fucking smashed. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:14 Two_DoWn wrote: This is definitely a factor, but personally I tend to believe that the farm advantage is the #1 aspect, and items/abilities fall around that as a secondary issue. It isnt just melee characters that have "broken" abilities in Dota, pretty much every ability in Dota, if carried over, would be broken in LoL. Same goes with items. So I tend to view item/ability factors as equalizing more than anything else. BKB is a big fucking deal for melee carries | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:19 Scip wrote: Okay, here's my thinking guys. IF melee autoattack carries are viable, it's going to be in form of jungle Tryndamere. So if we wanna test that concept we just have to test jungle Tryndamere. Sounds legit? That would require someone to play Tryndamere, and several others to be in the same game as him. I lodge a formal protest on moral grounds. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:10 OutlaW- wrote: I believe that if Riot made a champion with a skillset that's very bad early and bad mid + it's suited for autoattacking and surviving, he (as a melee carry) could be viable. Nobody like that exists, though. Tryndamere is too weak overall and has no way of fighting CC. Tryndolafamere R: Undying Ragnarok Immune to all CC and damage for 5s | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:22 xes wrote: Tryndolafamere R: Undying Ragnarok Immune to all CC and damage for 5s Make his E faster and more responsive and we have ourselves a melee AD carry. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:19 Scip wrote: Okay, here's my thinking guys. IF melee autoattack carries are viable, it's going to be in form of jungle Tryndamere. So if we wanna test that concept we just have to test jungle Tryndamere. Sounds legit? Can a team not build around, say... Jax as a melee carry? He has all the tools a melee carry needs (sick steroids, good base stats, mobility, durability, scales exceptionally well) | ||
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samthesaluki
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
what's the point of having a "carry" jungler? Just pick a jungle champ and put him in the solo lane. Boom, instant carry jungler (Hecarim, Nocturne). | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:51 Chexx wrote: I really like Tryndamere so sad that he is not competive Who care, make him competitive. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
if jungler ever ganks your lane, it's an instant kill played two games of so far, and both have been 20 minute surrenders for the enemy team it's unstoppable imo | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
I still think boots of swiftness and zephyr would be a core item on him. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On January 24 2013 15:14 overt wrote: Pretty sure if you get the right lane and ran Cleanse on him you could make Tryndamere work. Like a year ago he actually was viable in competitive play and saw some play in top lane. He was even fotm for awhile in solo queue iirc. Pre Q heal and Wriggles nerf, oh god the sustain was so stupid, #1 ban in yoloQ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On January 24 2013 15:11 Eiii wrote: AD thresh/support blitz bottom lane if jungler ever ganks your lane, it's an instant kill played two games of so far, and both have been 20 minute surrenders for the enemy team it's unstoppable imo AD Thresh sounds so fun wtf Free armor on my AD carry? Thank you very much... | ||
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