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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:11 Ketara wrote: With the changes to the way % and flat penetration works, what do you guys think about magic pen quints vs AP quints on mids? Think someone was saying earlier, AP quints are better unless youre playing something like malphite in which case youre relying on high base damage instead of raw ap so the magic pen is better? personally i just run movespeed on everyone but yeah. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:11 Ketara wrote: With the changes to the way % and flat penetration works, what do you guys think about magic pen quints vs AP quints on mids? So long as you can reach whatever AP level allows you clear creep waves without the AP Quints MPen is generally better. Edit: Maybe "no question" was a bit strong. I need to do some math to figure out a more refined answer. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Low scaling = MPEN is better I am not sure about the cutoff though. I should probably do some math on this... Brand and Lux enjoyed flat mpen since S2 and I don't see them changing now. EDIT: and what Seuss said too. Being able to one-shot minions is kind of important... | ||
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Irelia
19 Posts
On December 20 2012 06:45 Simberto wrote: What? I basically main support now, and i don't do that. I kick peoples faces in in lane, and then i kick them more. My ADC knows that i carry that lane, if he does not notice, he is a fool. Of course i say gj after we just got a doublekill, but we both know that that is purely courtesy. He and i both know that i just killed those fools, and he was just lucky enough to be the ADC on my team, and not the enemy one. And then i go ward the shit for mid, and get him a kill on something that foolishly runs around there while i pass by, so that he, too knows that i am the support in this house. At this point, the only one who maybe has not noticed that i deserve all the glory is the toplaner, and that is just because he is stupid anyways, and live so far away that noone ever talks to him. Sure, they all got kills, but deep down they know that it is I who produced those kills, so they still feel so empty inside with their shiny KDs, knowing that none of that is something they themselves earned, they just got it given by me. Good one... Here's the reality: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp5fw45p61rk1skro1_1280.jpg) | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm impressed that you got the name Irelia straight up. More on topic, yes. Yes, this is what being a support main feels like. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:28 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm impressed that you got the name Irelia straight up. More on topic, yes. Yes, this is what being a support main feels like. It's actually not that easy. It took me 6 tries to find an unused name. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Mordekaiser <- taken http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Ahri <- even has a picture http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Fiddlesticks < -taken http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Karthus <- taken http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Fizz <- will kick your ass http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=cassiopeia <- can be used!!! | ||
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Irelia
19 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:28 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm impressed that you got the name Irelia straight up. More on topic, yes. Yes, this is what being a support main feels like. What are you talking about? I'm the real deal. Just like the previous poster said there are a lot of champion names available. Edit: Or maybe not... Btw, Shyvana is available... | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:36 Irelia wrote: What are you talking about? I'm the real deal. Btw, just like the previous poster said there are a lot of champion names available. Makes sense on a SC2 forum. Just being an internet denizen I'm always surprised when even the real people get their straight up names. Since you are obvs real Irelia. And can I say I'm a big fan. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:38 AsmodeusXI wrote: Makes sense on a SC2 forum. Just being an internet denizen I'm always surprised when even the real people get their straight up names. Since you are obvs real Irelia. And can I say I'm a big fan. Now you are here, we demand your nude pics, Irelia. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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Irelia
19 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:40 Sufficiency wrote: Now you are here, we demand your nude pics, Irelia. No, nuh-uh, I'm too classy for that. On December 20 2012 09:42 Praetorial wrote: This login screen is *almost* as good as the login music. Imo, both are really good. | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:49 Raisauce wrote: So apparently Muramana on Ryze is godly. Has anyone tried it so far? Is it really worth getting over archangels? I can't wait to get home and try it out! Buy it as soon as your tear is full. It's damn sweet. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
Yeah, Sufficiency, what are you thinking? She's no MF. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Jungled Vi, managed to do it with 0-9-21 masteries and a flask+machete start, even though I had to back after level 4 (road to double buff + wraiths, no gols). ohmygodohmygodohmygodshe'sSOOOOOOOOOfun I can jump everywheeeeeeeeeeeeeerre! Went QWEQ R>Q>W>E because I'm dumb and didn't get W at level 1, the clear speed is 0K, and having a low cooldown on Q changes stuff so much. Even if Q was her worst ability you'd still have to max it first just because of the cooldown reduction, having 2-3 Qs per fight (had an Elise mid who didn't want the blue buffs and 6% cdr from masteries, bought locket later, had a cd around 6-7s) helps you so much, repositioning, reaching the other side of the fight once your target is down, interrupting (Katarina in the enemy team)... and it's a pretty fun dash skill (Sej's can be kinda frustrating I personnally feel because of its slow traveling speed notably). W isn't always obvious to see when it procs (even when jungling, the sound effect is pretty quiet), but as long as you do your stuff calmly, you'll have it up for the most part of the fights, which helps regarding AS. E is really fun with the "pass-through" damage, I picked up several kills during ganks and fights by repositioning and using it on another target (often a minion) to get the AoE damage on the runner. I built wriggles+bulwark because I was kinda fed (loads of assists) (swifties because mercs aren't worth it against Nautilus + another Vi + Ashe), but even then I felt rather squishy, even at 176 armor and 2300 HP after locket. The fact that they had 2 BCs on their team probably played a role... my damage dropped a lot against anything non-squishy (when doing nashor and dragon I felt that my damage output was pretty nigh) from the lack of damage items, but on the other hand Bulwark is like the trademark of defensive items now, so I'm not sure what to build instead to retain some tankiness while having damage. Randuin's probably a great pick on her, since she has gap-closers but few ways of sticking once Q is on cooldown, and her ult really puts her in the thick of things. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:23 Sufficiency wrote: High scaling = AP is better Low scaling = MPEN is better I am not sure about the cutoff though. I should probably do some math on this... Brand and Lux enjoyed flat mpen since S2 and I don't see them changing now. EDIT: and what Seuss said too. Being able to one-shot minions is kind of important... So I've done a cursory look, and the math is rough. I don't have a general equation yet for finding breakeven points but in general:
As an example, a level 18 Malzahar's breakeven point against against a 100 MR target (ignoring his W) is -19 AP. However, a level 9 Malzahar's breakeven point against that same target would be ~147 AP because he hasn't yet had the opportunity to up his base damages. So the logical conclusion is that AP will be better whenever you're using all of your abilities in the early stages of the game, but MPen will be better for poking with your primary ability and in the later stages. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:52 AsmodeusXI wrote: Yeah, Sufficiency, what are you thinking? She's no MF. Even so, we all know everyone likes this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a2P3Z.png) | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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